Running my gear Sub-Q.. Will update thread with results..

[bigrig]

Back in probably 04/05 i ran cyclodextrin sub q stuff from a cdn ug.. but i had a terrible time with it... the test was so thick i once snapped the plunger in half.. and the tren burned worse than chlamydia.. i only ran them for a couple of weeks before going back to IM.. oh my dreams of ez shots were crushed..

after doing some reading today about Sub-Q oil shots, the studies done using this method for TRT ... figured why not try..

Anyway, I'll log how this goes... I'm going to do AM daily shots Sub-Q.. I did my first ones earlier today.

Each morning:
1 shot, 0.5ml of Delatestryl Test Enth (100mg/day) (cdn pharma)
1 shot, 0.5ml of Teragon Tren Ace (50mg/day)

i'll be adding in 10iu of kig's/day this week as well..

I only had 31g slin pins today, so i just did the sub q shots with a 25guage..
fast and easy...

The Delatestryl shot, painless, and painless now..no lumps, nothing.. the UG
Tren Ace.. bit of a bite.. still a bit of sting now (3 hours later)..

My understanding is short esters more acidic, more pain.. also I know most
UG's have generally have more solvents in them then Pharma...

The reasons why i'm testing Sub-Q:
1. I hate IM shots
2. Safer

So i'll see how this rolls out !

 

[bigrig]

BTW, here's the studies..

Subcutaneous Administration of Testosterone
These two articles shows that subc injections of AAS are quite viable alternative for IM injections.

Quote:
STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED
WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE
INJECTIONS

M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,
Hamilton, ON, Canada

Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous
(SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however, its physiological effects are unclear.

We therefore investigated the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using
SC therapy.

Patients and methods: Between May and September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving 10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism. Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for 41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with
testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL 200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks. Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration is not officially approved by Health Canada. T levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels were measured however; the week 12 data are still being collected. Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit 0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l (p¼0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T (25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1 (27.46+12.91 nmol/l).

Patients tolerated this therapy with no adverse effects.

Conclusions: A once-week SC injection of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further evaluation.


Quote:
Saudi Med J. 2006 Dec;27(12):1843-6

Subcutaneous administration of testosterone. A pilot study report.

Al-Futaisi AM, Al-Zakwani IS, Almahrezi AM, Morris D.
Department of Medicine, College of Medicine & Health Sciences, PO Box 35, Postal Code 123, Al-Khod, Sultanate of Oman. Tel. +968 99475401. Tel/Fax. +968 24413419. E-mail: [email protected].

OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low doses of subcutaneous testosterone in hypogonadal men since the intramuscular route, which is the most widely used form of testosterone replacement therapy, is inconvenient to many patients.

METHODS: All men with primary and secondary hypogonadism attending the reproductive endocrine clinic at Royal Victoria Hospital, Monteral, Quebec, Canada, were invited to participate in the study.

Subjects were enrolled from January 2002 till December 2002. Patients were asked to self-administer weekly low doses of testosterone enanthate using 0.5 ml insulin syringe. RESULTS: A total of 22 patients were enrolled in the study. The mean trough was 14.48 +/- 3.14 nmol/L and peak total testosterone was 21.65 +/- 7.32 nmol/L. For the free testosterone the average trough was 59.94 +/- 20.60 pmol/L and the peak was 85.17 +/- 32.88 pmol/L. All of the patients delivered testosterone with ease and no local reactions were reported.

CONCLUSION: Therapy with weekly subcutaneous testosterone produced serum levels that were within the normal range in 100% of patients for both peak and trough levels. This is the first report, which demonstrated the efficacy of delivering weekly testosterone using this cheap, safe, and less painful subcutaneous route

 

[SAGE74]

Back in probably 04/05 i ran cyclodextrin sub q stuff from a cdn ug.. but i had a terrible time with it... the test was so thick i once snapped the plunger in half.. and the tren burned worse than chlamydia.. i only ran them for a couple of weeks before going back to IM.. oh my dreams of ez shots were crushed..

after doing some reading today about Sub-Q oil shots, the studies done using this method for TRT ... figured why not try..

Anyway, I'll log how this goes... I'm going to do AM daily shots Sub-Q.. I did my first ones earlier today.

Each morning:
1 shot, 0.5ml of Delatestryl Test Enth (100mg/day) (cdn pharma)
1 shot, 0.5ml of Teragon Tren Ace (50mg/day)

i'll be adding in 10iu of kig's/day this week as well..

I only had 31g slin pins today, so i just did the sub q shots with a 25guage..
fast and easy...

The Delatestryl shot, painless, and painless now..no lumps, nothing.. the UG
Tren Ace.. bit of a bite.. still a bit of sting now (3 hours later)..

My understanding is short esters more acidic, more pain.. also I know most
UG's have generally have more solvents in them then Pharma...

The reasons why i'm testing Sub-Q:
1. I hate IM shots
2. Safer

So i'll see how this rolls out !

Your going to love it, I've been doing it for a little while now and it works great! Good luck bro, keep us posted

 

[bigrig]

Your going to love it, I've been doing it for a little while now and it works great! Good luck bro, keep us posted

cool, i just saw your thread as well... i've only heard of a few guys having some issues, but seems mostly with water based UG stuff, winny or test suspensions...

 

[mookie9920]

My main concern is not the Sub-q shots but how you know how bad chlamydia burns?!!? Haha just kidden, but I'm looking forward to this log and seeing how it turns out.

 

[Userat204]

Sub Q works very well for many reasons but IMO is best suited to trt. Even at 1ml a day you will need to rotate areas frequently. I have done this with Spartan Labs test which isn't loaded with solvents.

I don't mind daily IM shots but went sub Q on low dose simply to attempt to maximize t level stability and reduce estro. It worked very well but I really didn't physically see much difference at all.

 

[MightyJohn]

What areas do You guys hit doin this?

 

[aussiebulldog]

this is going to be very interesting for my HRT.

Did anyone try shallow IM ?

 

[yazzfloot]

I've been using slin pins to do my unitri (test prop, mast prop, tren ace blend) daily injections and even my thicker test e/deca and it's been amazing. It's gonna be hard to go back to even 25g IM injections after doing this for a while now...but honestly it's been working out fine for me so I don't know if I even will go back to doing IM.

I've been using delts and glutes (I can't do quads, it's always been a bad spot for me).

Good luck and keep us posted!

 

[SAGE74]

cool, i just saw your thread as well... i've only heard of a few guys having some issues, but seems mostly with water based UG stuff, winny or test suspensions...

Yeah, no real problems. Your thread will be interesting, can't wait to see what happens. I've had a couple of guy's PM me for advice so I know alot of people will be watchng your thread. I'm no expert Big but if I can help let me know. Good luck bro

 

[Calves of Steel]

I know a couple of guys that do subq and get great results. My only concern would be what that does to the half life

 

[SAGE74]

I know a couple of guys that do subq and get great results. My only concern would be what that does to the half life

I take a little less gear than I used to, it's just spread out over 4 or 5 day's instead of 1 or 2. It seems like I don't have to use as much, to get the same results. Everyone is diffrent though.

 

[repmks]

Back in probably 04/05 i ran cyclodextrin sub q stuff from a cdn ug.. but i had a terrible time with it... the test was so thick i once snapped the plunger in half.. and the tren burned worse than chlamydia.. i only ran them for a couple of weeks before going back to IM.. oh my dreams of ez shots were crushed..

after doing some reading today about Sub-Q oil shots, the studies done using this method for TRT ... figured why not try..

Anyway, I'll log how this goes... I'm going to do AM daily shots Sub-Q.. I did my first ones earlier today.

Each morning:
1 shot, 0.5ml of Delatestryl Test Enth (100mg/day) (cdn pharma)
1 shot, 0.5ml of Teragon Tren Ace (50mg/day)

i'll be adding in 10iu of kig's/day this week as well..

I only had 31g slin pins today, so i just did the sub q shots with a 25guage..
fast and easy...

The Delatestryl shot, painless, and painless now..no lumps, nothing.. the UG
Tren Ace.. bit of a bite.. still a bit of sting now (3 hours later)..

My understanding is short esters more acidic, more pain.. also I know most
UG's have generally have more solvents in them then Pharma...

The reasons why i'm testing Sub-Q:
1. I hate IM shots
2. Safer

So i'll see how this rolls out !

.5ml in one spot is alot. Test will be painless and wont leave lumps. But the tren will leave lumps that will last for a week or 2. Im predicting you wont be able to take it. Test E will leave a small bubble that dissipates in a day or 2. But the tren will probably cause huge inflammation lumps.

 

[the123man]

keeping an eye on this one , gl bro

 

[Overwatch]

Is the absorption still the same as IM?

Anytime I get any oil in sub-q tissue (I.e. didn't inject deep enough and some leaked out of the muscle) it gets red, itchy, and hot almost like I'm getting an infection. This happens even with pharm grade oils. Anyone else?

 

[tmuscle]

ive always been scared as hell about the chance of cellulitis

 

[Ehren]

BTW, here's the studies..

A log AND studies! Nice!
Good luck, Brother. Ive done this with Test/Tren and it worked well.

 

[heels1]

I've always done IM.

 

[rock75]

where are the sub-q shots being admin???

 

[bigrig]

cool guys....

i've done them lower abs right now... just make sure 2 inches away from belly button..

sub q can also be done on quads, glutes and back of arms..

shots today, both test and tren were painless and still are about 9 hours later..

still 0.5ml/shot.. no issues.. that seems to be a good level for alot of guys.. some guys go higher and have issues...

i also wonder if some guys who get lumps get them from not properly doing sub q shots...