Short Cycles/Long Esters???

[6.8SPC]

I posted this in the beginner's forum and am hoping to get some feedback from you more experienced guys. Thanks in advance.

I have been considering the value of short cycles and was just wondering peoples opinions on the possibilty of using long Esther (Ethel, Esther )supplements for short cycles. My first was 250mg of test e only for eight weeks. I liked the quick recovery from the shorter time 'on' , but even on the eighth week I was starting to feel a little lethargic. I am convinced that short cycles are the way to go. Would it be practical at all to do 4-6 week short runs with long esters and if so would this be a correct way to do it or should I frontload the injectable as well or change the dosing schedule? Dad I am hoping yuo could offer some advice :

Week 1-6: 500mg test enan. (split Mon Thur.)
Week 1-4: 20mg dbol in the a.m.

Week 8-10: 50mg clomid+40mg nolvadex

Week 11-16: 500mg test enan. (split Mon Thur.)
Week 11-14: 20mg dbol in the a.m.

Week 18-20: 50mg clomid+40mg nolvadex
Week 21-24: 20mg nolvadex

I was curious after reading these two threads (which are both really good reads), one started by tflash:
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21250

Another by Iabadman:
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6402

Happy New Year everyone!

 

[notus]

I posted this in the beginner's forum and am hoping to get some feedback from you more experienced guys. Thanks in advance.

if you like the short cycles that is probably fine. Cyp. actually has a longer half life enth. I am a fan of cycles that last 12 weeks or so. Your body will be completely shut down after the first month so it is really up to you. I am not sure why you would start to feel lethargic around the 8th week test. shouldnt do that.

 

[wucrew420]

if you going to go w/ short cycles go w/ short esters, as you can only break down adn free up soo much test w/ the longer ester compounds.

if i were you id go w/ 6-8wks on w/ short estered compounds, npp, test-prop, tren ace, test-susp, winy, etc.

just my thoughts as you wont get the full potential out of long esters w/ short times of use

 

[6.8SPC]

if you like the short cycles that is probably fine. Cyp. actually has a longer half life enth. I am a fan of cycles that last 12 weeks or so. Your body will be completely shut down after the first month so it is really up to you. I am not sure why you would start to feel lethargic around the 8th week test. shouldnt do that.

My theory is that the longer you stay shut down, the harder it is to recover. Some guys in those two other threads linked in my post seem to agree with this. I am curious to see if I recover better after only six weeks. I'm not sure why the lethargy either, it just seemed like the (positive) sexual side effects started to wane after the seventh week or so. I didn't have the same high energy levels as in the first 4-5 weeks.

 

[6.8SPC]

if you going to go w/ short cycles go w/ short esters, as you can only break down adn free up soo much test w/ the longer ester compounds.

if i were you id go w/ 6-8wks on w/ short estered compounds, npp, test-prop, tren ace, test-susp, winy, etc.

just my thoughts as you wont get the full potential out of long esters w/ short times of use

That seems to be the consensus, that short esters are more effective for short cycles. Is it counter productive in your opinion to use long esters for only 6 weeks? Thanks for the input.

 

[jesse7159]

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[Nat]

I personally wouldnt waste my time on a cycle less than 12 weeks. you just arent going to get the build up of muscle you are looking for and your body with be on a homornal rollercoaster of suppression/recovery if you do this 4 week cycle crap bro. IMHO that would be harder on your body than just staying on for the 12 weeks then do your pct so your body can fully recover...

I agree totally. I think Gavin (dont hold me to that) wrote about how short cycles on and off is as above "hormonal rollercoaster" and it is much harder on the body to keep going up and down and changing your hormonse levels. Secondly there will not be much time for the anabolic to actually run their full coarse and give you the optimum gains possible. I think most guys on here would agree to a 12 to 16 week cycle followed by 6 to 8 weeks of PCT.

 

[tap]

I personally prefer 4 - 6 month cycles , but I usually take 5 or 6 months off also.I like to start with long esters and end with short.Sometimes I like to add alittle prop to my enanthate that first week just to kick start it but an oral like dbol would do also.

 

[6.8SPC]

I agree totally. I think Gavin (dont hold me to that) wrote about how short cycles on and off is as above "hormonal rollercoaster" and it is much harder on the body to keep going up and down and changing your hormonse levels. Secondly there will not be much time for the anabolic to actually run their full coarse and give you the optimum gains possible. I think most guys on here would agree to a 12 to 16 week cycle followed by 6 to 8 weeks of PCT.

I understand what you guys are saying, I'm also curious at the same time. There seem to be some folks who advocate shorter cyles and have had success with this method with themselves and/or their trainees. I am still new to all this, so I'm learning every day. Maybe I should just experiment and see what works best for me. Thanks for the replies.