test/deca....ancills?

[humongous]

hey guys i have a buddy at my gym who wants to run his second cycle as follows:
1-15 test-e @ 350mg
1-14 deca @ 200mg

he wants to run it with no ancillaries and no pct.
i told him he may be ok at those doses, but that i would get back to him with a more definitive answer.

please guys only answer if you have experience with running low dosages like this, personally i run at least double those amounts but always with an aromatase inhibitor and hcg during, and a full 4 -6 week pct.

thanks.

 

[Thick1]

I doubt if anyone can answer for your friend as we have no idea if he is gyno prone nor do we know what was his other cycle and how he did.

 

[humongous]

I doubt if anyone can answer for your friend as we have no idea if he is gyno prone nor do we know what was his other cycle and how he did.

i believe he did 12 weeks of sustanon at 250mg/week and suffered no gyno symptoms. that may not be much of an indicator at what is in effect a trt dose though. judging from his physique i would say he had moderate to good results from his first cycle, but then again it's kind of hard to say because i didn't know him previous to that cycle.
i guess i was wondering more whether or not people thought those dosages would shut him down and if so how severely.

 

[sfletch2000]

of course it will shut him down, deca will shut you down pretty easily. He can probably get away without running an ai but he definately needs to run a pct. Plus that really isn't much of a cycle, he's not gonna see anything great from those tiny doses. Tell him he should at least run deca at 300 mg/week and the test at 500 mg/week. Personally as far as an ai goes i can run 750 mg/week of hg test and gyno is not an issue for me without running anything else to cut down the estrogen. But for him who knows.

 

[humongous]

of course it will shut him down, deca will shut you down pretty easily. He can probably get away without running an ai but he definately needs to run a pct. Plus that really isn't much of a cycle, he's not gonna see anything great from those tiny doses. Tell him he should at least run deca at 300 mg/week and the test at 500 mg/week. Personally as far as an ai goes i can run 750 mg/week of hg test and gyno is not an issue for me without running anything else to cut down the estrogen. But for him who knows.

i don't agree that they are tiny doses. our bodies produce only about 75mg test naturally a week so 350 is nearly 5 times that. plenty of people see good results from a trt dose of 250mg/week.
although i know his natural test production will shut down it's how supressed and how quickly he would be likely to regain normal function i'm interested in.
although i don't necessarily subscribe to the idea that pct is not always an essentail requirement there are plenty of old school dudes who do. if there are any of you guys reading this please chime in. thanks fletch.

 

[Thick1]

humongous you are right, the problem is that we get caught up with round numbers like 500 mg. The object on physique enhancing drugs is to get the most gains for the least amount of gear. Usually when I run a test/deca stack I add in tamoxifen at 10 mgs ed and I have no problems (and in now in my older years I am gyno prone).

 

[humongous]

humongous you are right, the problem is that we get caught up with round numbers like 500 mg. The object on physique enhancing drugs is to get the most gains for the least amount of gear. Usually when I run a test/deca stack I add in tamoxifen at 10 mgs ed and I have no problems (and in now in my older years I am gyno prone).

dude! nolva and deca together are a massive no-no! it's widely known that you shouldn't run nolva with progestins. this is seriously why you are probably becoming gyno prone.
i will try as best as i can to explain it, but please don't quote me. if you ask around someone will explain it better than i can.
by whatever action nolva increases the number of progesterone receptor sites in the breast tissue giving more places for progestins to bind and cause their nasty effects. it therefore serves to make your gyno worse!
please trust me mate, i have seen people screaming about this on several of the boards that i frequent. you need to research this pronto. good luck my friend, thanks for your responses.