Like you I think it's obvious but these threads keep on coming. The same people keep on posting the same stuff. Ideally when something similar gets posted we should all just leave it alone (will never happen though).
My point to my posts is that it is obvious like tobacco is bad for you so I don't see the need in preaching to my friends who smoke. I don't understand why the same people feel the need to constantly preach to people on here about steroid usage. Fair enough if it is a 20 year old bodybuilder who needs guidance. You understand all of this and it's pointless me really posting it. I completely agree with you.
Just adding most of my friends who partied hard are still fairly young but I am sure some of them will have bad things happen due to their past ways. I am sure I will be on that list but let's hope not. Would I fuck disappear and not be honest about things but I also wouldn't preach daily on here if something bad did happen as I know the risks. As you elude to I don't think "partying" is as damaging as what bodybuilders do as they do a mixture of bad things. I would never say weight is the main factor as taking strong rec drugs is really bad for you no matter what you weigh. But I am sure if a guy is 300 pounds taking red drugs he will encounter problems much faster just like these bodybuilders do by reason of the various drugs they use.
I sometimes think some people must have lived sheltered lives because so many bodybuilders I know take alsorts of things. I didn't even know the guys (or were born for some) on the death lists but I would bet most of them probably took an array of different drugs (nubain etc). As I say it's a mentality and so many guys will use thge strongest painkillers, sleeping aids, uppers etc. I used to like partying but I barely even take paracetamol so that is one good thing. I also don't use anything for sleeping and stay away from strong drugs outside of bodybuilding related ones.
i think the thing that gets me more is the stupidity of some of the aas stuff.
i really think most of us here agree on the idea, there is much bickering on the little stuff but the idea is there.
my point is that we should try to take some responsability in a bigger way as a comunity. i think a large part of our problem is still the lack of honesty on this subject. that is PART of the dosage issue, the internet and these forums too. thats why we should try to use them to make a difference.
much of the talk here is usa specifc as outside of the US things are a little different. you have posted on that. that said there are still lots of similarities. lack of knowledge, ppl blasting stupid amts, gear before training, etc.
many places outside the us no one really gives a shit about it and it is not really on le radar. that said there is a lot of room for improvement. like it or not the states n what happens there can and will influence the rest of the world in these matters.
just like you and jjb point out many of my aas friends also used/abused other things heavily. too some degree they seem to go hand in hand. i used to joke with this group of friends about what would kill us... lol we were liek ah.. motley crew/gnr are still alive! lol
yeah, accept they arent 250+ lol
i know a hand full of ppl who have had heart attacks very young due to other rec use, none aas users. for the most pat the guys who used both are much more scary health wise.
in all cases i think we as a comunity just need to do better.
when i say comunity i am refering to the general comunity of "recreational" drug users.
ppl who choose to use chemistry to aid or enhance there life are at risk the world over.
arrest and jail and all that go with it can be as bad or worse then health complications.
the world clealry is not handleing these issues in a good way, we can not make things perfect but we CAN do a lot better then what we have now.
that is where we should focus energy, not on debating the small stuff or repeating theses same fucking threads every 4 weeks.
we get it already!
now, cant we do something???
lol