Who has switched to a non-inflammatory diet?

[Smack]

So what's with all of this talk about whey protein being extremely acidic and inflammatory? Supposedly a brown rice protein with Pea protein has the same muscle building amino acid profile as whey? Or you add plant based bcaa's to it. I never hear about plant-based proteins only whey, egg, beef isolate and casien

You got a link? Honestly I dont buy it at first glance

 

[Lou]

So what's with all of this talk about whey protein being extremely acidic and inflammatory? Supposedly a brown rice protein with Pea protein has the same muscle building amino acid profile as whey? Or you add plant based bcaa's to it. I never hear about plant-based proteins only whey, egg, beef isolate and casien

Bullshit. Whenever someone recommends something nutritionally based on the food´s pH, stop listening.

Whats your daily diet and training regimen? What supplements do you take?

 

[Smack]

Bullshit. Whenever someone recommends something nutritionally based on the food´s pH, stop listening.

Whats your daily diet and training regimen? What supplements do you take?

x2,,, Or just take some curcumin (half joking)

 

[Thebigone]

Update. I went to a rheumatologist and it's like pulling teeth around here trying to find a good doctor. This lady was awful didn't even shake my hand. She even said there is no such thing as HPTA shut down for a male who is only in his 30s. That was the first thing that made me want to just leave but I wanted her to run some tests on why I always feel like shit. I gave her a full copy of all my lab work from the past five years and she said she wanted to add A1c which came back perfect. Celia disease came back normal. Muscle enzymes came back elevated which is normal for an athlete. She says she thinks I have chronic fatigue syndrome and prescribed me Nuvigil. But I don't think you can be a 250 pound bodybuilder and have CFS. I think my issue is something Adrenal related. Anyway here's the kicker with this lady. She tested my Vitamin D and it came back at 101. I take 20,000iu daily with VitK. I know that sounds like a lot but it isn't because the range for vitamin D was something like 30 to 100. So 100 was the max of the range and I was 101. She says even though you are one point out of the range that's too high and I want you to stop taking all vitamin D. I can't believe she even has a license. I take 20,000iu and I'm only one point out of the range and she says to stop taking any VitD at all smh.

 

[chinaboy]

The average patient for a rheumatologist is a middle aged obese woman. She is not used to your type.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa]

I agree with this too, and to expand a little bit, the problem with wheat is not the wheat itself, but gluten. Gluten is a problem for the MAJORITY of people. There are so many possible reactions to Gluten that most people will never imagine that Gluten is causing some rare lifelong effect or disease. There are cases in which people with rare skin disorders and even lung issues like COPD have been immediately cured when stopping gluten. Not all of cases of course, but some people are that sensitive to gluten. Gluten can cause a wide spectrum of variety disorders and chronic diseases including asthma, rosacea, psoriasis reproductive issues, gastric problems, allergy problems, etc. Again, not all these diseases are caused by gluten but a lot of people who stop gluten can see a complete cure of the disease.

One of the first things to do when reorganizing a diet is to stop gluten. Specifically Wheat, Barley, Rye and Oats. Avoid Oats even if it says gluten free.

Completely disagree. My ancestors were raised on bread and it is a key component to my diet and has never caused a problem. I have taken gluten out of my diet with absolutely no change in inflammation, digestion, strength, endurance, energy levels. Bread is one of the fundamental foods of humans, we developed it independently across many cultures. If you have a problem with it, that sucks, but many many people do not have a single problem consuming bread and breaking the gluten protein down.

 

[Massive G]

100 grams of carbs a day is not keto....its just extremely low carb. And those cayenne vinegar cleanses are about as bogus as it gets

awwww c'mon now rich piano man eats ice cream all the time and claims he's on keto!

 

[Massive G]

I've exhausted all efforts trying to find out what's wrong with me for the past few years of constantly just feeling like crap. Malaise and body aches. I have a psychiatrist, hematologist, gastroenterologist, cardiologist, and now my most recent visit was to a rheumatologist. She thinks I might have chronic fatigue syndrome but she says she doesn't know how that's possible since I am a fairly lean 250 pounds. She just ran a muscle enzymes test and an A1 C I think it's called and a couple other tests that I haven't done myself all these years. I have a friend who was going through the same thing as me and his life completely turned around the past three months from switching to a non-inflammatory keto diet. He specializes in training clients to get healthy while still maintaining their physique the best way possible. He basically told me meat and whey proteins are highly acidic and what he does now is he only uses plant-based protein with plant-based amino acids added to it to make it a complete protein. He only has about 200 g of protein per day, 200g healthy fats and only about 100 or less carbs only coming from coconut water, fruits and vegetables. Only has one meal per day the contains meat and only eats from the hours of 8 AM to 8 PM. I think I'm highly acidic because my C-reactive protein tested in range but on the high-end of the range and he's telling me that I probably am extremely acidic, especially since I have a hiatel hernia and have very high inflammation which is what's causing me to feel like absolute shit all the time. That might make sense because when I take ibuprofen I feel completely better but if I take Tylenol I don't feel any better at all. So basically he's going to have me do a three day cleanse with water Cayanne pepper lemon juice but still eat a lot of vegetables during that time then I'm switching over to his diet which is basically 200 g of fat from all healthy fats 200 g of protein and minimal carbs. He says it's physically impossible to lose muscle if you're eating that much fat. I'm curious if anybody here went this route, the noninflammatory route, cut out whey protein added plant protein cut out lots of meat and added ketones to the diet. What did you notice differently about your physique and how did you feel? Thanks

what is your bodyfat? just curious you'll never find any relief going to specialists I found this out about 5 years ago in my early 40's and all the doctors were shit. I did have my endo comment on my gut -belly size it was hard with visible abs at about 17% and but was distended - he said you have visceral fat, he saw it all the time in diabetics he treats. I went home and searched on it and about fell out of my chair.
**broken link removed**

I actually thought I had carcinoid cancer at one point by searching the symptoms and many blood and urine tests later the docs said stop asking you don't have it when I was pushing for a scan.

back to the visceral
I got into a whole syndrome where the inflammation from this visceral fat affected my training to wear inflamed joints and tendons caused me to switch to more machines than free weights which led to more fat gain and less cals burned on the basics.

I was eating like I did at 28 and 310 lbs high protein moderate carb EFA's and veggies pretty clean but added my meals up in myfitness pal and was eating 5 grand a day. Every time I'd eat I'd feel miserable, flushing rapid heart beat , sweating profusely just the opposite of the way I used to feel years before every meal was like a re-feed to me felt great.

Visceral fat actually acts like an inflammatory organ and releases cytokines and other substances that contribute to metabolic syndrome. Some may scoff at this because it is very real in normal people that eat like stir fried shit.
I never changed my caloric expenditure in the 4 months I dieted and dropped to 4000 clean cals with tons more veggies and lost 51 lbs.

Sadly over the years my body has drifted back because of over eating good food and not adjusting metabolically (cardio etc) to off set this so I am back at 290 or so and I am at 5 K cals and the same symptoms are coming back. I wear a fit bit and routinely according to the device burn 5000-5500 cals a day. I wouldn't consider it completely accurate but it's a guide.

Try the diet even of you aren't double digits in body fat cause foods can be inflammatory anyway it won't hurt.

 

[Matsuo Munefusa]

what is your bodyfat? just curious you'll never find any relief going to specialists I found this out about 5 years ago in my early 40's and all the doctors were shit. I did have my endo comment on my gut -belly size it was hard with visible abs at about 17% and but was distended - he said you have visceral fat, he saw it all the time in diabetics he treats. I went home and searched on it and about fell out of my chair.
**broken link removed**

I actually thought I had carcinoid cancer at one point by searching the symptoms and many blood and urine tests later the docs said stop asking you don't have it when I was pushing for a scan.

back to the visceral
I got into a whole syndrome where the inflammation from this visceral fat affected my training to wear inflamed joints and tendons caused me to switch to more machines than free weights which led to more fat gain and less cals burned on the basics.

I was eating like I did at 28 and 310 lbs high protein moderate carb EFA's and veggies pretty clean but added my meals up in myfitness pal and was eating 5 grand a day. Every time I'd eat I'd feel miserable, flushing rapid heart beat , sweating profusely just the opposite of the way I used to feel years before every meal was like a re-feed to me felt great.

Visceral fat actually acts like an inflammatory organ and releases cytokines and other substances that contribute to metabolic syndrome. Some may scoff at this because it is very real in normal people that eat like stir fried shit.
I never changed my caloric expenditure in the 4 months I dieted and dropped to 4000 clean cals with tons more veggies and lost 51 lbs.

Sadly over the years my body has drifted back because of over eating good food and not adjusting metabolically (cardio etc) to off set this so I am back at 290 or so and I am at 5 K cals and the same symptoms are coming back. I wear a fit bit and routinely according to the device burn 5000-5500 cals a day. I wouldn't consider it completely accurate but it's a guide.

Try the diet even of you aren't double digits in body fat cause foods can be inflammatory anyway it won't hurt.

Very very interesting post man! Thanks for sharing. Have you ever run any of the anti-inflammatory anti-ox's? Just curious what your perspective on those are if you have.

 

[Massive G]

Very very interesting post man! Thanks for sharing. Have you ever run any of the anti-inflammatory anti-ox's? Just curious what your perspective on those are if you have.

thanks
I take for inflammation:
bromelain
quercetin
bio cucurmin
lovaza
krill oil
vit c
some pure juices like cherry and pomeG


for gut health I use keifer milk plus probiotics

probably something I am forgetting but that's the jist of it.

 

[kitchenchemist]

For those well versed on the subject could you list maybe the Top 10 or 15 common inflammatory foods?
I always hear/read gluten, dairy, peanuts but most of the lists I can find on the internet are written by dirt worshipping hippies. lol

 

[Massive G]

For those well versed on the subject could you list maybe the Top 10 or 15 common inflammatory foods?
I always hear/read gluten, dairy, peanuts but most of the lists I can find on the internet are written by dirt worshipping hippies. lol

I think you could sum it up the more processed a food product is the more inflammatory components it has.

**broken link removed**

 

[Massive G]

Very very interesting post man! Thanks for sharing. Have you ever run any of the anti-inflammatory anti-ox's? Just curious what your perspective on those are if you have.

Also I feel very good at this weight 290 but know that I gotta break down some lbs at my age in my 40's it's not good for overall longevity after 25 years of hard core training.
The supplements do help, and avoiding as much processed food as I can as well as the diet sodas and artificial sweeteners.

 

[Thebigone]

what is your bodyfat? just curious you'll never find any relief going to specialists I found this out about 5 years ago in my early 40's and all the doctors were shit. I did have my endo comment on my gut -belly size it was hard with visible abs at about 17% and but was distended - he said you have visceral fat, he saw it all the time in diabetics he treats. I went home and searched on it and about fell out of my chair.
**broken link removed**

I actually thought I had carcinoid cancer at one point by searching the symptoms and many blood and urine tests later the docs said stop asking you don't have it when I was pushing for a scan.

back to the visceral
I got into a whole syndrome where the inflammation from this visceral fat affected my training to wear inflamed joints and tendons caused me to switch to more machines than free weights which led to more fat gain and less cals burned on the basics.

I was eating like I did at 28 and 310 lbs high protein moderate carb EFA's and veggies pretty clean but added my meals up in myfitness pal and was eating 5 grand a day. Every time I'd eat I'd feel miserable, flushing rapid heart beat , sweating profusely just the opposite of the way I used to feel years before every meal was like a re-feed to me felt great.

Visceral fat actually acts like an inflammatory organ and releases cytokines and other substances that contribute to metabolic syndrome. Some may scoff at this because it is very real in normal people that eat like stir fried shit.
I never changed my caloric expenditure in the 4 months I dieted and dropped to 4000 clean cals with tons more veggies and lost 51 lbs.

Sadly over the years my body has drifted back because of over eating good food and not adjusting metabolically (cardio etc) to off set this so I am back at 290 or so and I am at 5 K cals and the same symptoms are coming back. I wear a fit bit and routinely according to the device burn 5000-5500 cals a day. I wouldn't consider it completely accurate but it's a guide.

Try the diet even of you aren't double digits in body fat cause foods can be inflammatory anyway it won't hurt.

Last test I had done was a dexa scan at 260lbs I was 17%'ish (can't remember exact#) but I do remember I had low visceral fat in my stomach. I'm down to 250lbs now so I've got to be leaner. Most my fat was back and legs. I've been talking with a specialist now who thinks I have a severe case of adrenal fatigue and that is my entire problem. She believes this because my symptoms continue to get worse when I train so I'm going to try a new regimen of just very light training just to get a pump and limit my stimulant use as low as possible and see what happens. Also I am in a terrible relationship with my wife right now we fight every single day and the stress is pretty bad. The specialist told me that the stress that comes from fighting in a relationship is unlike any stress your body will ever be able to handle it it will completely destroy your adrenals and effect cortisol.

 

[Kag94]

Adrenal fatigue doesn't exist.

Now this isn't to say what you are feeling isn't real. The body works in a negative feedback in much the same way it does in all things hormonal.

Just chill out and you'll feel better. I had the same issues and it took about two months before I was "normal"
24 hour cortisol test was low all day then spiked before bed

 

[Thebigone]

Adrenal fatigue doesn't exist.

Now this isn't to say what you are feeling isn't real. The body works in a negative feedback in much the same way it does in all things hormonal.

Just chill out and you'll feel better. I had the same issues and it took about two months before I was "normal"
24 hour cortisol test was low all day then spiked before bed

How does it not exist? Any organ that is taxed can fatigue right? Years of stimulants and overtraining couldn't tax the adrenals?

 

[j2048b]

How does it not exist? Any organ that is taxed can fatigue right? Years of stimulants and overtraining couldn't tax the adrenals?

I agree with you Thebigone!!!!

Hahaha i love how people say certain things dont exist, THE TERM ADRENAL FATIGUE IS NOT A TERM MEDICALLY BUTT adrenal fatigue does exist

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/adrenal-fatigue-is-it-real

It IS becoming more and more accepted in the medical community, from others ive spoken too,

I for one have adrenals that dispense all sorts adrenaline and other stuff at night while im sleeping contributing to my anxiety and heart sinu tachycardia that was recently located.... all this info from my cardiologist....

Now if someone where to have adrenal insufficiency i do believe it is a major issue like addisons, but adrenal fatigue does exist, not medical term wise tho

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[Kag94]

**broken link removed**

 

[Kag94]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4997656/

 

[Simon_454]

Last test I had done was a dexa scan at 260lbs I was 17%'ish (can't remember exact#) but I do remember I had low visceral fat in my stomach. I'm down to 250lbs now so I've got to be leaner. Most my fat was back and legs. I've been talking with a specialist now who thinks I have a severe case of adrenal fatigue and that is my entire problem. She believes this because my symptoms continue to get worse when I train so I'm going to try a new regimen of just very light training just to get a pump and limit my stimulant use as low as possible and see what happens. Also I am in a terrible relationship with my wife right now we fight every single day and the stress is pretty bad. The specialist told me that the stress that comes from fighting in a relationship is unlike any stress your body will ever be able to handle it it will completely destroy your adrenals and effect cortisol.

Funny you mention the relationship issue I'm actually experiencing very similar symptoms you currently are I'm just a wreck terrible gut issues, no energy, depression and anxiety the common culprit here seems to the high stress relationship nothing wears me out like relationship issues I actually experienced these same issues in a previous relationship and when that relationship ended so did all my health problems I want to make this current relationship work as I deeply care for the person and have put a lot into it but can't help and wonder how much of a role it plays in the current state of my health