I don't need to adjust the stats I am 511. The average guy who trains at 511 is not 220lbs. Even if he gets there at 511 and 220lbs he is not going to have a 30inch waist and 19inch arms. I know guys who are naturally 300lbs but they don't look the way I want to look. I guarantee your "natural" buddy at 240 is not single digit body fat with 20 plus arms.
Your basically taking Steve Reeves size and saying that with a couple years training most guys can get there naturally. It just isn't true.
You obviously want to get in a pissing match and not have read all the previous post. Don't know why? I will not do that! You don't have to justify your opinions to me they are your own, which are fine to post. I stated anything higher than the low dose range will come with risk, but once you get into taking modearte cycles many users experiment with other drugs and rsik increases even more in particular alot of bros don't monitor there health.
I did not say the only other option is a 260 Mr. Olympia. I'm saying alot of bros would like to get to 260 not nessassarlybe Mr. Olympia and never will get there and if they never will why are they taking such risk if not competing or anything.
If you read my post I said most average lifters after a couple years of training they did not get 18' arms yet and to 200 and turn to juice. I said they don't want to put the time in to get to those stats, which are very obtainable with a good 5 years of training and nutition. I said most atheletes have those stats within a few years though.
19' is a little high for just average gym bro not competing. 18' obtainable, Yes. Thats was the higher range limit I put for a natty bodybuilder who has lifted for awhile.
I'm thinking alot of hardgainers and lifters who just dont want to put the time in are the ones who justify gear use by saying a average genetic bro can't reach 200pnds with 18' arms.They are are most likely the ones using higher dosages thinking more is better. This is not directed to anyone on the board specificly either. Just talking to the majority of these bros in the gym, their diet is not on track they are not consistant with training and are not lifting with basics and a decent amount of weight. They are jumping on 400-600mg test, 400-600 deca or Eq, with little DBOL and VAR because they read in MD that gear is not that bad and are starting are moderate cycles without monitoring blood lipids and liver enzymes etc. Many of these guys report to me while training of headaces all the time and many don't get at least a gallon water ED. I ask when did you check your blood pressure last and they say they can't remmeber. I tell them the headache may be elvatated BP from the gear and they are like HAAAAA, WHAAAAT I don't have any sides I mot experiencing any itchy Nips or hairloss. They have no clue of the internal functions and health of teh body while on.
THERE SHOULD BE A POST IF YOUR NOT MONITORING YOURSELF WHILE ON, COMPETITOR OR NOT, YOU SHOULD NOT BE ON BECAUSE YOUR NOT EDUCATED ENOUGH ON THE TOPIC TO DO SO WITHOUT INCREASED RISK OF YOUR HEALTH!!!
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