Things you would change if you could go back (PEDs )

[bbxtreme]

I should have added pregnancy to my list or the inability to get my wife pregnant the "traditional" way after my AAS use for so many years as a serious drawback to PED use. Severe Azoospermia in my case. Tried for the better part of 3 years to get pregnant and nada after coming off everything. Eventually went to a fertility clinic where they evaluated my "sample" and discovered that my #'s were extremely low and the motility wasn't great. Morphology was ok but according to the specialists, the few guys I made had almost zero chance of getting the job done w/o some assistance. Luckily ICSI became available and in combo with invetro we got pregnant. She's 18 now. Beautiful, smart just like her mama. Even froze some embryos from that batch. We chose to put in one of those stored embryos 5 years later and got pregnant a second time. She's almost 13. Honor roll, athlete. My wife and I were seriously considering adopting at one point.

I am blessed.

It’s one of those things my wife has gone back and forth on- wanting kids. So we have agreed that I just keep pushing on training.

But we’ve had the very real convo about how I have used gear off and on since I was 20 and hit out the gate with sdrol. My ex wife didn’t want kids so was easy. But 8 years in with my wife now and she goes back and forth. But like you we talked about adopting as well.

Regardless of the outcome or what happens we knowingly knew the risk when I got back into things at 30.

 

[southernmucle214]

Honestly that was the third option I considered. But a lot of guys are not ok with that.

I am legit curious as this is the top Olympia winners all around the same time, two under Hany and Shaun has become close with him and doing content and training together.

They have all been on cycle since teens, they certainly haven’t come off long enough (likely not at all) to do traditional HCG/HMG.

So they all were the smartest young teens and froze their sperm (unlikely) or as you said they all used donors. But Hany is known for his top secret methods.

My wife and I are looking at kids in the next few years so may have to hit one of them up and ask. Lol

It's definitely possible to still make pregnancy happen without freezing sperm or using a fertility protocol. Blasted and cruised from 19 to 26 with no hcg and no time off and have had 3 pregnancies.

 

[st114]

I wish I would have started in my 20s, after the Army and training natty I ended up on TRT in my 30s anyway. If I could go back I’d start at 20-21

Not staying so lean year round and abusing orals to gain strength versus getting fluffier and using “wetter” compounds

 

[juggy38]

1) started gh sooner. Maybe 28-29 yrs old instead of 34

2)stop doing the 10 week cycle/pct.

3) pushed the dosages MUCH harder. I think my craziest cycle before 30 was 500 test/600 EQ.

4) NOT compete in PL. (squat mostly). My knees remind me every day of those 600+lb squats

 

[bbxtreme]

It's definitely possible to still make pregnancy happen without freezing sperm or using a fertility protocol. Blasted and cruised from 19 to 26 with no hcg and no time off and have had 3 pregnancies.

Yeah, I have heard of the select few who have been able to do that, but I know for sure that I am not one of them. LOL, I also highly doubt CBUM and Derek got their wives pregnant blasting and cruising at their level. Maybe Hany will do a podcast on it with one of the guys.

 

[WesternThighs]

1) started gh sooner. Maybe 28-29 yrs old instead of 34

2)stop doing the 10 week cycle/pct.

3) pushed the dosages MUCH harder. I think my craziest cycle before 30 was 500 test/600 EQ.

4) NOT compete in PL. (squat mostly). My knees remind me every day of those 600+lb squats

For 3. How much harder did you push the dosages past that point. 1.1 gram total AAS seems like it could’ve taken you far. Macwildcat on meso has taken maybe 1.5 max total AAS and made phenomenal gains throughout his career.

 

[pistonpump]

For 3. How much harder did you push the dosages past that point. 1.1 gram total AAS seems like it could’ve taken you far. Macwildcat on meso has taken maybe 1.5 max total AAS and made phenomenal gains throughout his career.

And? Not everyone will respond to the same dosages. Macwildcat? This is one example it's not the rule

 

[Mufasa123]

Yeah, I have heard of the select few who have been able to do that, but I know for sure that I am not one of them. LOL, I also highly doubt CBUM and Derek got their wives pregnant blasting and cruising at their level. Maybe Hany will do a podcast on it with one of the guys.

Have you done a fertility test while on? You might be surprised. I've been on trt/blast/cruise for over 10 years. I took a test on test/deca/tren toward end of 16 week blast and it wasn't horrible at all. Only 1 metric low end.

 

[WesternThighs]

And? Not everyone will respond to the same dosages. Macwildcat? This is one example it's not the rule

Oh and Millard who owns that forum reached a lean 240lbs without ever taking more than total 1gram a week. It’s all about diet and training. Perhaps you weren’t eating enough

 

[bbxtreme]

Have you done a fertility test while on? You might be surprised. I've been on trt/blast/cruise for over 10 years. I took a test on test/deca/tren toward end of 16 week blast and it wasn't horrible at all. Only 1 metric low end.

Yeah my numbers have been in the shitter the last times I did. When I was 29-30 they weren’t so bad hence we had the conversation on kids. But my wife is 5 years younger than me so wasn’t on her radar.

Honestly though I’m ok either way with the outcome. Some people can’t wait to be a dad or parent. Like I said in my other thread- at the top you can only pick 2-3 things. So a kid would mean stepping away at this level and by nature I’m pretty ambitious. I don’t have that “I can’t wait to be a dad” gene like some guys.

 

[btails]

Oh and Millard who owns that forum reached a lean 240lbs without ever taking more than total 1gram a week. It’s all about diet and training. Perhaps you weren’t eating enough

Just a suggestion, maybe READ MORE, POST LESS and become Acquainted with the forum. You've posted 76 times in a week.

Perhaps start with this:

So sick of this - HERE'S THE TRUTH!

This site was always set up as an advanced site, where you can find TRUTHFUL information about bodybuilding, not bulshit and ideology promoted by people who generally have agendas. This is the truth: If your diet, training, health and rest are completely up to scratch, the more steroids you...

www.professionalmuscle.com

 

[WesternThighs]

Just a suggestion, maybe READ MORE, POST LESS and become Acquainted with the forum. You've posted 76 times in a week.

Perhaps start with this:

So sick of this - HERE'S THE TRUTH!

This site was always set up as an advanced site, where you can find TRUTHFUL information about bodybuilding, not bulshit and ideology promoted by people who generally have agendas. This is the truth: If your diet, training, health and rest are completely up to scratch, the more steroids you...

www.professionalmuscle.com

I stand by my statement firmly in that if MacWildcat who is barely 5’5 can reach a lean 230 in his off season simply from eating 500g of protein daily while being advanced with under a gram of anabolics total, there is NOOO reason why any of you NEED higher dosages to build muscle. Anything over 1.5 grams of gear you’re either holding the mass of an open pro bodybuilder or your diet just sucks. Wanna what works? Eating more fucking protein and training until your past the point of failure

 

[btails]

Nvm

 

[WesternThighs]

Nvm

That’s what I thought

 

[Cerberus777]

That’s what I thought

Why are you so abrasive? This is a community, if you actually had a real question you'd want people to give you honest helpful feedback. At the rate you're going if you don't get banned you'd definitely not going to receive good help.

 

[WesternThighs]

Why are you so abrasive? This is a community, if you actually had a real question you'd want people to give you honest helpful feedback. At the rate you're going if you don't get banned you'd definitely not going to receive good help.

He was the one who had something smart to say but was smart enough to retract the statement

 

[Zamun]

Why are you so abrasive? This is a community, if you actually had a real question you'd want people to give you honest helpful feedback. At the rate you're going if you don't get banned you'd definitely not going to receive good help.

Because he’s here just to aggravate/start drama. Just ignore him as most are doing.

 

[WesternThighs]

Because he’s here just to aggravate/start drama. Just ignore him as most are doing.

I haven’t done anything to start drama and don’t want any drama. Just a few pretty boy sharks that I have to shake off my tail that’s all. I love you and most everyone here

 

[WesternThighs]

@Cerberus777 you know what you’re right I shouldn’t have even responded in the first place to whatever he was going to say. I just need to stay in my lane and handle my business

 

[livinlean]

I want to say start GH sooner but I don't think I had the funds to start it properly any earlier than I did.

Not doing the 12-16 week cycles and going to a blast cruise set up for sure would be at the top of my list.

Experimenting with high test and actually giving it a shot. I tried 1250 for like 2-3 weeks and the headaches were too much. I didn't try it again for 3, maybe more years. Just wasn't educated on high BP and what to watch for.

I wish I became more dedicated to the body building life style. It wasn't until 2019 when I placed top 3 at the Olympia amateur that I became fully dedicated. Partly due to being so close to the pro card and partly due to being around the best athletes in the world for that weekend.