Dave_19 said:
Very good thread! I like to see this point of view on dosing. Let me ask you mag, or any one else with an opinion on this. When you speak of using test at a low dose 250-300mg/week, and deca eq at a higher dose. How long would one, ideally run it like this? I am thinking over a year wouldn't be a huge issue as long as you monitored your health through out, and followed up with a really good PCT regiment when you decided to stop?
I will try and answer your question directly in a more indirect way.
Sometime when I get going I tend to digress, but I will get back to the point I promise.
A lot of people ask me two different questions almost exclusivley when it comes to cycling. The first is what is the best cycle and the second is how long should I stay on. Man, these two questions could literally have volumes written on them. My answers might be different than most peoples, in fact they most likey are. As far as the how long questions goes, all of us (me inlcluded) strive to look our best and look that way for as long as possible, but "our best" is different for each one of us. Many people on here tend to forget some things. When you look at a pro you almost always see him at his best. Wouldn't it be great if we could walk around big and lean all year long. The smart pros go off between shows(as long as theyare not doing more than one or two a year) and get smaller while still staying somewhat lean. I am guessing that most people on here do not compete, but the magority of them want to stay big most all the time. So, here's the answer to your question. If you want to stay big then stay on. Don't ever think for a second that you are going to maintain a 1000mgs a week worth of muscle by coming off and using a little bit of igf, hcg, clomid, gh or whatever. Sure if you want to come off for a few weeks the add this stuff in, but ask yourself how much would you have really lost in 4 weeks to begin with?
I have seen countless cycles done in many different ways over the years. So many that my head spins. Ways to keep your gains, frontloading, backloading, pyramiding up, pyramiding down, bridging add infinitum. The list goes on and on. Bottom line is when you use steroids you grow and when you come off you shrink. Now, this maybe is a slight over simplification of things as I do think that certain drugs that are better for actual size gains, but I will get to that later. In the 20 some odd years that I have been around I have seen a lot. I remember when Gh was the rave. It was the only drug you could use that would enable you to keep all your gains. I heard of guys gaining 30 to 40 pounds of muscle. Sad thing was I never actually met anyone. Well, turned out that there was a certain way you had to take it. In the morning was best, no it was at night, no actually it was both morning and night and make sure your bed was pointing North when you slept at night.
Get my point?
To this day the best drugs to use use to make bigger muscles are steroids. If anyone here does not believe this then stop using them and get on some Gh, IGF, pgf, and all the other worthless crap that a lot of guys are wasting their money on and see what happens. Once your levels drop down (which can take months) you are going to shrink. For the average guy I still believe that steroids (not testosterone) will give you the most for you money as far as quality muscle gains. I also like to throw in some test (200-300wk) to keep the sex drive up. There really are not too many steroids out there to begin with, well anabolic that is. I have seen plenty of muscle built on Deca, D-bol, Anadrol and EQ to a lesser degree. I would add in any of the tren esters here, but I think they are too hard on the body and should only be used before a show, as should a lot of other drugs and in higher doses. You also have anavar, winny and primo, but they are not strong enough for most people to be satisfied with.
Now, not to sound like I am contradicting myself, I mentioned in another post about how a friend of mine who I trained for a show used mostly test. He did add in some deca and halo near the end. He ended up winning the lightweights and looked great. He was hard as nails, dry and full. He mainly used test because of money reasons plus I am not so sure that a bigger guy could get away with doing this. Remember that a lightweight is only going to be able to carry so much muscle and the main reason he won was because of his conditioning. Don't get me wrong, he was big. but I don't know if a heavyweight is going to be able to get enough size on him by just using test. In fact, most likely not. Now, I do know some guys (not many) who have been on LARGE amount of test and for years. These guys generally also run deca, EQ and some other king of anabolic with the test. Neither of these guys rarely if ever experience any kind of joint problems and they never come off. Maybe it's because they are running other things with the test.
Most people on here seem to agree that 1 gram of test per week is the max as far as the optimal dose of test goes. Personally I think this all started with Palumbo. Either you run 200-300 mgs weekly or run 3-5 grams of it. Personally I have never really had the balls to run more than 1500 weekly of test and for no longer than a few weeks. I have always got along fine with 400-500 mgs per wk. In fact, I never really noticed any better gains with 1500 than 500. Now, I have seen what jumping it up to 3-5 grams per week can do and I'll tell you that it does some crazy shit. Before I go on I want to say that I would NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!! recommend this to anyone. This is only me relaying info that I have heard and witnessed. For some unknown reason when this kind of dose is maintained along with anabolics at not so high a dose, I have seen some amazing size gains. When I say 3-5 grams I am taking into consideration bodyweight. Some guys have gone higher from what I have heard, but I have no direct contact with anyone who actually has.
Gonna stop her for now. Sorry to be so long winded. Remember, be smart and stay healthy. This is only info and some of my opinions that I am sharing.
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