Are First Cycles Overrated???

[Texas Ranger]

Guys, in your opinion, are First Cycles overrated? The reason why I say this is alot of guys start out with less than perfect First Cycles(ie.Dbol only, Deca only, etc...)and end up making pretty good gains anyway. I spoke to two guys that compete at the NPC level and neither one started with Test only. I guess what I'm saying is there's no need to start out with complicated cycles using 3 different items. Use Test@250mgs for 10-12 weeks and gain 10lbs. of quality size. Then, build from there. What's your opinion???

 

[alecaf]

I guess what I'm saying is there's no need to start out with complicated cycles using 3 different items. Use Test@250mgs for 10-12 weeks and gain 10lbs. of quality size.

That is my opinion bro.

 

[Tyrone]

It would be a modest smart choice for many.

 

[Mr.Loony]

I was told by a very wise man years ago to always use 500mg or more of test.

I was trained by a very popular person here on the net, many of you know him, and for my first cycle he had me on 750mgs of test e. with 400mg of eq. I got amazing gains from that and stayed on it for awhile.

I think cycles are like workouts. I think everyone's body is different. I think the most important anyone can do is get bloodwork done. Get your bloodwork done before you start your cycle and then check it every 3 months after that. If nothing is wrong, and your still making gains, why stop?

I think it's good to drop the dosage ever so often and let your receptors refresh. But then again, what doseage you take also can depend on many factors as well. If your 150lbs then 500mg of test should work fine. If your 185lbs and have been training for a year or two, and don't have a lot of bodyfat, then do something similiar to what I did (750 test e, 400mg eq). But most importantly, get checkup's first.

 

[Texas Ranger]

I was told by a very wise man years ago to always use 500mg or more of test.

I was trained by a very popular person here on the net, many of you know him, and for my first cycle he had me on 750mgs of test e. with 400mg of eq. I got amazing gains from that and stayed on it for awhile.

I think cycles are like workouts. I think everyone's body is different. I think the most important anyone can do is get bloodwork done. Get your bloodwork done before you start your cycle and then check it every 3 months after that. If nothing is wrong, and your still making gains, why stop?

I think it's good to drop the dosage ever so often and let your receptors refresh. But then again, what doseage you take also can depend on many factors as well. If your 150lbs then 500mg of test should work fine. If your 185lbs and have been training for a year or two, and don't have a lot of bodyfat, then do something similiar to what I did (750 test e, 400mg eq). But most importantly, get checkup's first.

What were your stats before and after the cycle? 750mgs of Test is a pretty hefty amount for a 1st cycle.

 

[Mr.Loony]

What were your stats before and after the cycle? 750mgs of Test is a pretty hefty amount for a 1st cycle.

I was 194-197lb., probably about 12% bodyfat, maybe more, maybe less. Not sure about the bodyfat. I wasn't chunky, put it that way. I had been training for 12 years prior to that, but not consistent. I started training when I was 15, trained for a solid year. Stopped working out, I had to live out my wild child years (most regretable thing I ever did looking back now, wish I would have stayed with it). Then for the next couple of years I worked out on and off. Two or three months here and there. Then before the cycle, I had been working out for a solid year.

When I started my cycle, I stayed on for a good year. I went up to 215-218 Not all was muscle of course. I got a little bit chunkier. I didn't really follow a "great" diet. I ate ton's of protein, but didn't really watch the carbs and fat. Just kind of went wild, which was a mistake. When I got off, like I said, I stayed on for a good year, maybe a little longer, I was around 207-210. So, I kept a few gains. My shoulder's and back got a lot wider. My calves and thighs gained the most.

After that, I stopped training and got out of bodybuilding. I'm back now, fresh. I just started back training, today was my first workout. I've had a good two year layoff. But, my first solid cycle was great.

 

[kappainf]

I always suggest starting small to see how you react. If you decide to start with a higher dose just make sure to have some nolva around.

 

[gordo14]

Great input.

I was 194-197lb., probably about 12% bodyfat, maybe more, maybe less. Not sure about the bodyfat. I wasn't chunky, put it that way. I had been training for 12 years prior to that, but not consistent. I started training when I was 15, trained for a solid year. Stopped working out, I had to live out my wild child years (most regretable thing I ever did looking back now, wish I would have stayed with it). Then for the next couple of years I worked out on and off. Two or three months here and there. Then before the cycle, I had been working out for a solid year.

When I started my cycle, I stayed on for a good year. I went up to 215-218 Not all was muscle of course. I got a little bit chunkier. I didn't really follow a "great" diet. I ate ton's of protein, but didn't really watch the carbs and fat. Just kind of went wild, which was a mistake. When I got off, like I said, I stayed on for a good year, maybe a little longer, I was around 207-210. So, I kept a few gains. My shoulder's and back got a lot wider. My calves and thighs gained the most.

After that, I stopped training and got out of bodybuilding. I'm back now, fresh. I just started back training, today was my first workout. I've had a good two year layoff. But, my first solid cycle was great.

I definetly appreciate your experiances. All i can say though is that seemed like alot for a first cycle, and you said it was perfectly planned and ran great. No offense, but if that cycle was perfectly planned, and went great you should have expected the 10 pounds of gains within the first few months. You were on a year, and only gained maybe 15 pounds, and in your own words "not all of it was muscle". Now if you ever decide to cycle again are you gonna have to bump it up to 1000mg a week of test to see results. Imo less is more.

 

[BOOMSHAKER]

Your first cycle is, in my opinion the very most important one. For many reasons.

#1 it tells you right away how your body will react to certain chemicals in it.

#2 you will know what gains or non gains you have or will make on it the second time around.

BUT #3 is the most important one - IT SHOWS HOW MUCH TIME AND EFFORT AND READING AND SEARCHING YOU WENT THROUGH BEFORE YOU DECIDED TO DO YOUR FIRST INJECT!

 

[kjreid]

My first cycle was Test only, then second cycle was test and D-bol and third cycle added a compound. I was taught to add to make sure that you knew and understood what caused a certain side effect. It worked well for me throughout the years. not only did I make significant gains but I learned alot about the different compounds since I used them as singles along with test. This is why "first cycles" are not overrated, they should be considered lessons learned.

 

[tkav1980]

before you do your "first cycle" you need to do 5 yrs consistant hard work in the gym, and get your diet perfect. at that point, and most guys here will disagree with me, start out with 250 mg test e/wk for 12 weeks. if your doing your job properly, that will be all you need. after several BIG ASS cycles under my belt, i am growing off of 250mg test and 200 mg deca a week! we really should compile a stickey titled ITS NOT CHEMICAL WARFARE. read through the forum and youll see the guys that get the best results dont need massive amounts of drugs, hell some of them only use prohormones. but just remember once you take the plungs into the world of AAS you CANT GO BACK. good luck and be safe!

 

[btech]

Is three weeks of Superdrol at 20mg a day considered a "first cycle"?

I don't plan on using anything again for a VERY long time. Probably going to wait until my forties, if I'm still interested. MPB and prostate enlargement scare me.

 

[slayer75]

My first cycle was a great success but I did a shit load of research before i even considered it and I think that is the key!

 

[JohnnyPro]

I am 53 and always on 250 mgs test weekly. I bump it up to 500 or 750 when I do a cycle. I have been dieting for a while now, but at the same time getting bigger and gaining muscle just from 250 mgs EW. My first cycle was 500mgs test enanthate for 12 weeks but I can't say I had earthshaking results. In fact I ate too much trying to get as big as possible and ended up just looking fat. I'm not impressed when I hear people talk about how much weight they gained on a cycle. I could gain 30 or 40 pounds on a cycle too but it would be mostly fat. So the question I would ask is how much lean muscle do you gain on a cycle. You don't have to overeat to build muscle.

 

[jdchaffin]

I am 53 and always on 250 mgs test weekly. I bump it up to 500 or 750 when I do a cycle. I have been dieting for a while now, but at the same time getting bigger and gaining muscle just from 250 mgs EW. My first cycle was 500mgs test enanthate for 12 weeks but I can't say I had earthshaking results. In fact I ate too much trying to get as big as possible and ended up just looking fat. I'm not impressed when I hear people talk about how much weight they gained on a cycle. I could gain 30 or 40 pounds on a cycle too but it would be mostly fat. So the question I would ask is how much lean muscle do you gain on a cycle. You don't have to overeat to build muscle.

that was the most important thing I learned from my first cycle as well. that you can still over eat even on cycle.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

i did alot of research, and ran some really complicated high-dose cycles when i started. it wasn't until i dropped the dosages for $ and availability reasons, that i realized that i needed ALOT less--and that i actually looked better on less.

i think that the perfect first cycle is somewhat of a myth. because of media exaggeration, the newbie believes that drugs have the power to completely transform them into a monster in one massive cycle.

i think duchaine was responsible for alot of the mega-dosing. i read all of his stuff, and believed that test always had to be run at a gram or more. wow. i was dumb.

 

[Texas Ranger]

i did alot of research, and ran some really complicated high-dose cycles when i started. it wasn't until i dropped the dosages for $ and availability reasons, that i realized that i needed ALOT less--and that i actually looked better on less.

i think that the perfect first cycle is somewhat of a myth. because of media exaggeration, the newbie believes that drugs have the power to completely transform them into a monster in one massive cycle.

i think duchaine was responsible for alot of the mega-dosing. i read all of his stuff, and believed that test always had to be run at a gram or more. wow. i was dumb.

I read an article by Dan Duchaine called, "Dick and Jane's First Steroid." To paraphrase he said to get big and strong, you needed to take Test@600-1000mgs/wk. This is what he recommended for a 1st cycle.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

i got super bloated, and needed a crapload of armidex. also my immune system did not like high-dose test. i had fever and would puke up some of the stuff i ate.

you do gain weight on cycles like this, but tons of it is water and fat.

i think the whole emphasis on adding "MASS" leads to this dumb attitude. if you use just enough gear to train hard and make consistent strength gains, the size gains will come, and they will be quality.

 

[heavyiron]

"first cycle is best" is not true for me

Guys, in your opinion, are First Cycles overrated? The reason why I say this is alot of guys start out with less than perfect First Cycles(ie.Dbol only, Deca only, etc...)and end up making pretty good gains anyway. I spoke to two guys that compete at the NPC level and neither one started with Test only. I guess what I'm saying is there's no need to start out with complicated cycles using 3 different items. Use Test@250mgs for 10-12 weeks and gain 10lbs. of quality size. Then, build from there. What's your opinion???

I have done various cycles over the last 20 years off and on and definately respond better to higher doses. I need about 400mg test a week to see performance gains. My first cycle was a pyramid starting at 400mg up to 1200 mg at week 5 back down to 400mg at week 8. I had great gains. The next 5 or 6 cycles also produces great results. after 6 years off my first cycle was great again. I did about 5 or 6 more and all worked well. after another extended period off I did 4 more cycles, the 3rd one out of that bunch was one of my best-test/tren I have heard people say the first cycle is always the best but thats not true for me.

 

[Supreme Sports]

Yes, first cycles are most definitely overrated. Most users however are simply UNDER-DEVELOPED when they actually do their first cycle, so they make the greatest gains.