DC training and neural fatigue

[Entity]

Constant heavy/intense lifting puts alot of strain on your nervous system, particularily the motor neurons.
While DC training allows one to constantly train with maximum intensity very often and still recover from a muscular standpoint, I feel that constant RP sets day in, day out is extremely stressful on your nervous system which would lead to neural fatigue and thus the cessation of strength gains which would in turn lead to slowed/stopped muscle gains. This is why regular progressive overload doesnt work for more than a few weeks.
Westside style training gets around this by having a light speed day which is geared toward 're-stimulating' the nervous system if you will, and a max effort day where you switch the ME exercise every 2 weeks or so to something totally different but still one that works toward improving the lift you are training, so your nervous system is constantly being presented with radically different stimuli which keeps it fresh.
How does DC get around neural fatigue?

 

[joshbarnett]

when i got to the 8 week point i was physically/mentally drained so i took 2 weeks to lift light and recover. after the 2 weeks i came back and increased my strength once again. i suppose you could cut heavy progressive training to 5-6 weeks then some time off the recover but it would be dependent on an individuals recovery time. i have never regressed in any workouts so far with the 8 on/2 off training.

 

[gorilla2015]

I was not recuperating doing Dc's m/w/f/m routine so he put me on a 1 on / 3 off program and I started growing again. I felt very over trained after the 2-3 week mark on the first routine my appettite went in the toilet and my body just felt beaten up. When he changed it to the 1 on/3 off my body felt good for the full 5-6 week blast and most importantly I kept my appettite .

 

[jawbreakerkid]

In my discusions with DC, he talked about 6-7 weeks of heavy training, then 2-3 weeks of what he calls cruising. I'm starting with him next week.

 

[In-Human]

Entity, Have you ever tried this program? Have you ever gained 21 lbs in 12 weeks?.

I have been training with DC for 14 weeks now, and this is the best program I have ever done, with the most mass gained.

I also see that you do not understand how this program works, you do 5 exercises per workout, 15 exercises per week, that is it.

I am not new to this game, 24+ years of training.

I think you need to try it before you guess that it will not work...

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

LOL Im not even going to argue it anymore....basically because I dont have to--go with westside then.

 

[tpc]

In my discusions with DC, he talked about 6-7 weeks of heavy training, then 2-3 weeks of what he calls cruising. I'm starting with him next week.

you pretty much summed it up right here.

entity, training DC style day in and day out will over train you mentally, neurologically and every other way possible, this is not news to anybody, but it seems you have jumped to conclusions before you actually researched and studied his techniques. he recommends blasting (what you are talking about) and then cruising. his 4-8 weeks on, 2-3 weeks off technique. this way of doing things in not only for "cycling off", but as well giving the body a rest.

my recommendation, read up on DC training before you post about how it will overtrain you, it won't, if done properly.

tpc

 

[In-Human]

DC, tpc, You know sometimes its like that fly that keeps hitting the glass over and over and over again...

 

[BrooklynJuice]

DC, tpc, You know sometimes its like that fly that keeps hitting the glass over and over and over again...

LMFAO



To keep the brain fired up look into nootropics (dont get me started ) ALCAR and mitochodria level anti-oxidants such as ALA, Ideb, MitQ, etc...

 

[Entity]

Hey, dont get all defensive on me!
I asked a valid question and if it offends anyone then so be it, I dont give a fuck.
Just so you know, Im currently training DC and like it so far, its not exactly westside, but hardcore nontheless.
Its very intense and fast paced so I was just wondering how one keeps from overtraining. I didnt know about 'cruising', and im not about to apoligize for my ignorance....now I know, thank you for your input.

 

[tpc]

entity, i will apologize for everyone, it is just these guys receive so many questions everyday, mainly DC, that have been covered 10's if not 100's of times. this is due mainly on the fact people do not have their facts straight and mix up the essential basics of DC's techniques. sorry if we came down hard on you.

here is a good link for a condensed version of the cycles for pennies thread.

**broken link removed**

thanks,
tpc

 

[BrooklynJuice]

whew struck a nerve did we?

 

[In-Human]

Yeah, I would like to strike someomes nerve, I'll tell you what!.

BJ, Oh by the way, what is NOOTROPICS, hehe...

 

[Entity]

WHAT!?

 

[In-Human]

Entity, I have no problem answering questions on DC's program, I have been training with him for a while and some of us get sick of hearing negativity towards the program.

Your first post was negative and it struck us the wrong way, I am not new to this game have been at it for 24+ years, and this program is the best I have learned so far to pack on mass.

DC is very busy with his hectic schedule, so we do out best to help him out. I help many people out on many boards to get a better understanding on how this program can work and work for almost everyone.

Now if I could answer your question, this program only calls for 3 days per week of lifting, so must of us do a MWFM routine, except for BJ, he is a freak of nature, so he does not count.

This is the toughest program you will ever try and very taxing on your whole system, but with rest and diet, you can gain the most mass possible in a short amount of time.

Like I said, sorry for the previous posts, it struck a nerve, but with this program going against what is preached, I guess this will happen over and over again.

I will try to help you any way I can, plus we have some great guys that also train with DC with great knowledge...

 

[MikeS]

There is no problem here with discussion or debate on theories. Please, however, try to be respectful and tactful.
No need to display anger and rudeness.

Everyone has different ideas on what will or does work for them,
some more popular than others. Room for all ideas here; Please take into account and give credance to guys like DC who have extensive knowledge.

Catch more bees with honey...

 

[Entity]

I said nothing negative about the program, if thats how you percieved my initial post than thats on you. On the contrary, I happen to like the program alot, kudos to Doggcrap for developing it in all its simplicity and genius.

All I asked was a question about how DC gets around overtraining, a simple "you take a week or so to recover every 6-8 weeks" would have been ample and I am gratefull to those who responded in such a way.
You however, responded with contempt and hostility. If you are sick of answering questions such as this, then dont. But dont take your frustrations out on me or make ambiguous threats about who's nerve you would like to strike, thats completely uncalled for and I certainly dont appreciate it.

Of course, I accept your apology and appreciate you offering to help me out. Ive been training DC for only one week and as you mentioned, it really IS the toughest and most intense program ive ever done which is why I was concerned about eventually overtraining.
I was introduced to the program by BALDNAZI and read a long ass article on it on some web site. It was alot of info so I guess it didnt all sink. The link tpc provided answered most of the question I had so I think im good to go.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Entity accept my apology, its just after 3 years, countless pics online, hundreds if not thousands of people saying this has worked incredible for them, I still see people on boards arguing against my methods and I start to wonder, what exactly will I have to do to prove to everyone that this does what everyone says it does.

 

[IronMike]

that's it

In my discusions with DC, he talked about 6-7 weeks of heavy training, then 2-3 weeks of what he calls cruising. I'm starting with him next week.

I agree with that and I call it cycling your training, though I typically view it as doing a set period of moderate intensity (though this can be heavy lifting), then higher intensity, and finally a period of extreme intensity. Following that you back off to the lower intensity program again, and often will grow more THEN as your body appreciates the recovery.

Neural fatigue (or CNS fatigue) is definitely a factor to consider (and he seems to ). IronMike

 

[RicPhoenix]

discussions....

"Entity accept my apology, its just after 3 years, countless pics online, hundreds if not thousands of people saying this has worked incredible for them, I still see people on boards arguing against my methods and I start to wonder, what exactly will I have to do to prove to everyone that this does what everyone says it does."


I dont think proof is required.

State the idea, test it, support it with the literature and experience- then leave it open for discussion. Some will like the ideas whereas others will reject them. However, they should be able to state why they reject them and offer supported evidence for their statements.