Training for intent vs training for fun with Kuba

[LATS]

We have to stop equating " harder" with being more productive.. a barbell row involves numerous muscle groups.. spinal erector.. hamstring. . Lats.. traps.. bis etc. Etc.. to actually hit failure in regards to lats is almost impossible.. and the level of fatigue generated on a systemic level is much bigger.. so how is it more effective exactly? Same goes for numerous other exercises.. yes, they are harder but are they hitting the targeted muscle group like we intended??

Now that being said I hate seeing all these silly exercises which has someone twisting or crunching to work the lats.. its silly so please stop.. dorian didn't do it nor did ronnie etc.. so you don't need to either more than likely.. but, you can put forth alot of tension on the lats with one arm cable pulldown.. use appropriate load and intensity.. stop the silly turning and twisting and get to rowing or pulling that load with decent form..

So there's 2 sides to a story.. harder on your system doesn't mean it's better for the targeted muscle group. . And stop trying to " isolate" a muscle with less than adequate load because your twisting your torso and using two fingers to find a non existing muscle group. Find a happy medium

 

[bbxtreme]

I'll stand by the below until the day I die

- the explosion of "exercise science " has been a net negative for physique advancement

- most, not all but most people...would look way better than they do today of they could go back in time and delete from their life every bit of exeecise science content they ever saw

I believe the opposite. If I could take everything I know now and go back to 15 year old me…that would be life changing in terms of this sport. I’d be 10x the bodybuilder.

I think most people mistake knowledge for an excuse to drop work ethic, intensity and discipline.

 

[qbkilla]

I would be VERY shocked if, with PEDs + a high protein diet + eating maintenance, you actually lost LBM because you trained more “scientifically”.

What are you calling scientific? I seriously can’t see how you’d lose muscle unless you just legit stopped giving any effort at all

Fair question...you do a good job making me think critically. I take full blame for my lack of progress. Before I become interested in all this new science I focused on training like a dumb bro, training hard, beating the log book. As I " learned " I began to expirament , try new things, switch things up...too often...too the extreme..costing me progress. Again it is my own fault but the antecedent to my behavior was the explosion in exercise science I consumed, my behavior was expiramening aka being less consistent with the simple basics, the consequence was stalled progress and regression. With a side note lack of a surplus due to my goals also contributing. I believe many others are in a similar boat to me. Newer lifters have it the worst as they are having to choose between science and bro science...bro science being what has been discovered in the gym and passed on by word of mouth/internet via trial and error. Scientific being what is reported in a lab on short term studies on people that are far from advanced. It's like republican and democrat...most pick a camp vs being moderate (science vs bro science).

 

[qbkilla]

I believe the opposite. If I could take everything I know now and go back to 15 year old me…that would be life changing in terms of this sport. I’d be 10x the bodybuilder.

I think most people mistake knowledge for an excuse to drop work ethic, intensity and discipline.

Fair point. I think the term "ignorance is bliss" is true as well. I forgot where I saw it but it was like a meme or graph basically with iq across the bottom and training routine completely vertical. It was a hump. Basically saying the dumbest trainees and the most intelligent trainees use the simplest routines. Where the average iq are the ones overcomplicated everything. It was implying this is why the "Big dumb meathead" is so jacked because he doesn't stress over programming he just goes in and kills it.

"Today's arm day, gonna kill arms, lift heavy good form work hard no nonsense "

Vs

"I got 4 heavy sets to do, 4 pump sets, then a finisher. Gonna throw in some lengthened partials. Gotta make sure I set the cable higher for a better resist curve on cable rows and pause in the stretched position. Excited my intra shake has eaa vs bcaa gotta make sure I drink 1/3 on way to the gym, 1/3 during and 1/3 after. Crap I forgot my watch to tike rest intervals I guess I'll have to take my phone in, 90 sec between heavy, 30 sec between isolation "

 

[KingOfSushi]

Fair question...you do a good job making me think critically. I take full blame for my lack of progress. Before I become interested in all this new science I focused on training like a dumb bro, training hard, beating the log book. As I " learned " I began to expirament , try new things, switch things up...too often...too the extreme..costing me progress. Again it is my own fault but the antecedent to my behavior was the explosion in exercise science I consumed, my behavior was expiramening aka being less consistent with the simple basics, the consequence was stalled progress and regression. With a side note lack of a surplus due to my goals also contributing. I believe many others are in a similar boat to me. Newer lifters have it the worst as they are having to choose between science and bro science...bro science being what has been discovered in the gym and passed on by word of mouth/internet via trial and error. Scientific being what is reported in a lab on short term studies on people that are far from advanced. It's like republican and democrat...most pick a camp vs being moderate (science vs bro science).

… okay then why did you say that lifting scientifically made you lose tissue when it had nothing to do with it?

You say you take full blame but just blamed something else

 

[qbkilla]

… okay then why did you say that lifting scientifically made you lose tissue when it had nothing to do with it?

You say you take full blame but just blamed something else

Not lifting scientific per se....but learning about new concepts and applying them to my training such as increased frequency, higher volume, "optimization exercises ." I would have been better off not consuming science content and just keep doing the things I learned on forums over the past 20 years. Basically I tried to train more evidence based, and regressed.

 

[GroundFloor]

In my opinion, I think it is hard to judge if you do not fully commit to that particular training system in the same way that the author designed it. “Evidence based” can be very broad because there is evidence to support every type of training system whether it’s one study of 10 untrained subjects or 1,000s of anecdotal feedback from trained subjects but without clear defined variables. This can open up to routine hopping and feeling lost.

When fully committing to a system, there will be those who did not receive the results they expected (and that is obscure because we don’t know what their expectations were, if they were feasible, nor their adherence to the principles of the program) and then those who surpassed what their expectations when following the same system. We can probably say with confidence that this holds true for most routines out there and the “results” may depend more on the effort and adherence given due to the enjoyment they received running the program.

This stuff is so individual and can depend on so many factors, especially training age, limitations, preferences, recovery, diet.

I think if you read his books, bought the programs, and followed them EXACTLY for 12-20 weeks and fully invested, you would have a better evaluation of it’s effectiveness FOR YOU instead of maybe trying to change things frequently based on something found in 1 study in isolation that particular day or week. That may be the equivalent of what we all did 20-25 years ago when changing workouts based on “the evidence” of that we had in the muscle mags for that week.

This is not a knock on you because I did this for many years and did not progress until I gave up (out of frustration) trying to find the silver bullet and just became more robotic and consistent in my execution of the basics based on my own limitations, recovery, and preference with training and diet.

 

[qbkilla]

Makes sense to me lol

 

[Primoo]

Makes sense to me lol

Lmao yeah ok tell that to jay and ronnie

 

[grammo13]

Lmao yeah ok tell that to jay and ronnie

If I had to guess, this video is in favor of bro splits

 

[Spiro]

Makes sense to me lol

100%

 

[Golden]

Makes sense to me lol

makes sense what he’s saying but he’s hard to listen to with the shouting

 

[pistonpump]

makes sense what he’s saying but he’s hard to listen to with the shouting

Wtf is wrong with this guy?