DC training

[stomper1]

hey everyone, I don't know if any one remembers but back in october 2003 I started a thread entitled "Lats and Magoo Training" In that thread I listed my experience along with stats. I was in search of a program that would give me any results at all because for the last 2 years I had made no progress in strength or size. Back in early 2002 when dc frist started his thread "cycles on pennies" I decided to give it a try. Howver, by the time I finished tweeking the program to what I thought was right for me it wasn't really dc's program at all. so after 1 month I quit the program because "it didn't work for me".......anyway, to make a really long story a little shorter, after jumping from program to prgram like a cheap slut I became totally frusterated. in october I found this board.(by the way, there are more freaks on this board than any other board out there in my opinion. so when I saw the members pitures forum I thought "shit, I can learn from these guys" anyway after talking to some of you bros, Lats, magoo, big A, etc... I realized that I was not putting a big enough emphasis on getting STRONGER in order to gain size. so I began following a program Lats outlined for me which focused on getting stronger and increased frequency of training after performing the routine for awhile I started to make some strength gains. any way, 2 1/2 months ago I decided that my lack of strength was what was really holding me back and I remembered that that was what doggcrap had been saying from the start. so I have been on his routine(without tweeking it this time) for 2 and half months now. and I just wanted to share my progress with everyone and say thanks to DC for starting that thread a few years back. These results are astonishing to me. esspecially since I have been seriously training for 4 years now.

here are my lifts from 2 and a half months ago. keep in mind that I have always been surprisingly weak for my size. everyone was always shocked when I would tell them my max squat, bench, military press etc....

anyway,
2 months ago(oh, and everything is straight sets)

bb bench press 315 x 1 (max)
bb squat 325x 10( and form was not perfect)
incline bb press 225x9
military press 155x8
hack sqauts-230x 15

almost 3 months after being on DC's program

bb bench press 315x8(not quite failure even)
bb squat 405x 10(going parallel, and it felt easy yesterday, it's so awsome!)
incline bb press 275x9(hard though)
military press 225x10
hack squats 450x9

I know these weights are not impressive to most of you guys, but if you look where i'm coming from I think it's amazing and I really couldn't thank DC enough.
It's funny cause I always just thought I was destened to being weak(even though I look bigger than guys who lift alot heavier than me), but I don't see any sign of these strength gains slowing down.

I feel what has helped the most is just keep pumping the protein in my body all day( I feel really full and pregnant pretty much all day) also jsut really focusing gaining strength. I think it changed when I really accepted that with strength comes size. It's funny, all day at work I have all this anxiety about not being able to "beat the book" on that days workout. I'll think "there's no way I can add more weight or reps 2day. I feel tired my head hurts, bla bla bla....this is when I just start shoveling the food in like crazy and i'll tell ya what by the time I get in the gym I feel ready to go and like nothing can stop me...I think this is due to being all hyped up on calories I have so much energy.

there have been some negative things though. my joints feel rotten. my shoulder joints and elbows are just brutal. I actully took last week off. but my left shoulder is really bad. also I am certainly not as lean as I was. but this is a means to an end and i'm not complaining.

just thought i would share this with you all and if you where thinking of trying dc's routine. DO IT!
although you may want to look into hiring him personally for his services(if he'll take you) so that you do not make the same mistakes I did when I first tried his program.

oh, I apologize for rambling on for so long.

 

[Derek]

good stuff..

check my post on his training...

how were you eationg?

 

[Stroyer]

Congrats

Congrats on the progress bro !!

Stroy

 

[Grape Ape]

WOW

Impressive results bro! Keep plugging away, sounds like you've found your groove

 

[In-Human]

stomper1, I have been training with DC for some 12 weeks now, and I have gained more mass in that time than I did in two years of high volume grabage.

You must follow the program to the letter, no exceptions or the gains will not be the best you can get. DC has put some serious thought into this and he has made some small changes in those years, but the program is sound and will work if it is done correctly.

I know the biggest problem people have is tweaking it to fit their needs, no, you must tweak yourself to fit this program plain and simple.

It has changed my way of lifting forever, and I have been at it for over 24 years...

 

[In-Human]

stomper1, You must learn to blast and cruise and blast and cruise, this will give you ample time to let joints heal and your stomach have a break from this brutal program.

Blast can go anywhere from 7 to 12 weeks and the cruise from 2 to 3 weeks, you must take rests, not stop lifting, but a little break for your head also. It is tough to damage that log book everytime you hit the gym...

 

[stomper1]

derek

I hear ya about not wanting to get fat and have a large waist. But you have to eat and eat. because if you are unable to get stronger than I don't believe any significant growth will occur. and I know I can't get stronger without eating like a pig(even on gear)

bro, I waisted the last 2 years eating approx 4,000 cals/day. i eould eat 6 meals/day and I had everything wirtten out and followed it to a tee. I was eating about 350-400 , moderate fat and about 100-200 grams carbs/daygrams protein per day(at this time I was about 220lbs and not real lean by any means) probably 12% bf i would guess.

anyway, obviously what I was eating was not enough to make me gain strength. I did not even have the energy to really train as hard as I could or should. at the time it felt like alot but now i realize it really wasn't.

now I don't write anything down. i do count protein grams like dc states. i shoot for 500 grams per day. I would eat my protein frist then i would force down carbs I do try to eliminate carbs after 6pm. then i just stay full on protein. the only thing I don't do is add the olive oil to things. because I have bumped my carbs up so much I have not needed the additional cals that olive oil provides. I am currently 250lbs and i'm guessing 14-16% bf. my waist always looks huge cause i'm so full all the time. one thing that suck is I keep throwing up in my own mouth while i'm sleeping and i have to get up and run to the bathroom to spit it out. I know it's cause i'm so ful whemn i go to sleep. and the heart burn is brutal.

hope this helps

 

[stomper1]

in-human

stomper1, You must learn to blast and cruise and blast and cruise, this will give you ample time to let joints heal and your stomach have a break from this brutal program.

Blast can go anywhere from 7 to 12 weeks and the cruise from 2 to 3 weeks, you must take rests, not stop lifting, but a little break for your head also. It is tough to damage that log book everytime you hit the gym...




in-human,

Could you tell me how you do the cruise phase in regards to training and diet. and if you lighten the weights, do you worry about losing strength

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Stomper its sounds to me like your allergic to dairy--please stop any milk intake and take calcium supplements--youll know within one week if that was the case--when the bloating, heartburn, and acid reflux stops

 

[BrooklynJuice]

And check your potas:sodium ratio's

 

[stomper1]

doggcrap

i think you may have hit it on the head with you notion that I have dairy allergy. I have thought that it could be a possibility. it just sucks cause cott cheese and milk are great proteain sources. but iI will do like you suggested dc and drop dairy/add calcium and see what happens.


Brooklyn juice,
it's funny you mention potassium/sodium levels. last time I had blood work, about a year ago, my potasium levels were exceptionally high. but sodium was not that bad though. the doc asked me to bring in the labels of all my supplements(protein, creatine malto, ect..) she said that she thought the high potassium could be due to the brand of prtein I had been using cause it had very high amounts of potassium(it really did too, like 3 x what most proteins have. but maybe my potassium levels are still very high..... how have you bros corrected this problem in your own experiences?

 

[In-Human]

stomper1, Cruise is time to have a break from r/p, statics and very slow negatives. You still perform 5 exercises per workout 3 times per week, but the worksets are now all straight setted out, for 15 reps. Its time to try new exercises for ones that you might be topping out on or ones that you have hit the wall on. If you need the extra break, you could lift twice a week for that 2 to 3 week period. This period is just to maintain what you have gianed mass wise and shed some water weight and a little fat. 7 to 10 days in you will see the difference big time.

As for diet, we can not get into the breakdwon for you since DC would break me down, I don't want that at this moment in my life. But you do cut out one meal per day.

Like I said before, its time to have a little fun in the gym, a break from the food stuffing, joint and mind break. This is a grueling program a much needed break can and will do wonders for your mind and body.

Did you listen to what DC said in that last post, I had the exact same problem and I thought it was over and I could not continue with DC and his program. I cut out milk, in fact I cut out all dairy, but in two days no more heartburn, ever and that was 12 weeks ago, and trust me, I eat like a pig, they don't call me oinker for nothing. DC knows his shit.

Good luck and stick to the program, keep us posted on your routine.

By the way, DC lets us answer his generic questions over and over again, but the good thing is, after he finishes his steak meal, what is left I get, yum...

 

[stomper1]

in-human

thanks bro,

that cleared alot of it up for me in regards to the cruise period.

i am glad dc mentioned the milk allergy. cause the heart burn is bad. i'm gonna drop dairy and hope that will do the trick

that leaves me with the following protein sources:

eggs
chicken
steak
ground beef
tuna/all fish
protein powder

are there any other sources you guys can throw out there.
without cott cheese and milk, i guess I will have to make up for with more protein powder and chicken, or tuna.

thanks to all who have responded

 

[In-Human]

stomper1, You can always add nuts and pork to this situation, I eat everything in sight that has to do with protein, beef is my fav but any protein will do, you could also add Tofu is you like that stuff...

 

[stomper1]

in-human without asking you to give away any info that 's strictly between you and dc i wanted to know what you thought of this.

after 6pm or so when i cut out carbs I also direct my protein intake towards more lean low fat protein sources. example- in the evening I eat alot of tuna, chicken, egg white, protein shakes...where as during the day time I will eat things like red meat, salmon, protein powders as well as nuts and other protein sources....I was thinking I should add maybe some flax or olive oil to my last protein meal before bed to slow the protein absorbtion or maybe casein protein is digested slowly enough without having o add any fat.


do you have any comments or suggestions that you might be able to share with me?

thanks bro for all your comments

 

[In-Human]

stomper1, I cut carbs at 5:00pm, when it comes to protein after 5, I consume it all. That is fine if you want to stick to lean protein it will not hurt.

I would leave the oil for the shakes earlier in the day, and checkout Trueprotein for their special blend of protein for the pre bed shake. I myself stuff my face right up til I slept, hell sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night and finish what ever protein is on my pillow...