Healing when on cycle

crazy_j · May 17, 2009

Does anyone know if being on a cycle or just coming off a cycle would affect the healing process after a surgury? I heard that AAS use can slow down healing and make it difficult for wounds to close up, is this true?

CDJack · May 18, 2009

That's bs. AAS would help with healing. There was a thread once that said testosterone slowed collagen synthesis and made tendons brittle, but the article had ABSOLUTELY NO references or scientific studies backing it. I looked it up on pubmed and there are no studies showing this with testosterone. It's all broscience.

Thor · May 18, 2009

YUP

CDJack said:
That's bs. AAS would help with healing. There was a thread once that said testosterone slowed collagen synthesis and made tendons brittle, but the article had ABSOLUTELY NO references or scientific studies backing it. I looked it up on pubmed and there are no studies showing this with testosterone. It's all broscience.

I can't say that I have had surgery while on, BUT, I heal from other injuries way faster. ( I'm in construction and a bit clumsy)

crazy_j · May 18, 2009

I thought that it would make healing faster but a bunch of people had told me that it actually will hinder the healing process. I had a doctor tell me that healing slows due to AAS use. I havent seen any studies on it but I figured if a doc was telling me that it could possibly be true. I would be curious to see any study done to support it or not.

LATS · May 18, 2009

steroids like prednisone will slow healing.. i have run into this myself..

crazy_j · May 18, 2009

LATS said:
steroids like prednisone will slow healing.. i have run into this myself..

This is what I have been hearing. Any AAS or any steroidal medicine will make it difficult for a wound, even a simple cut, to heal properly.

jm425 · May 18, 2009

LATS said:
steroids like prednisone will slow healing.. i have run into this myself..

Definately. The docs didn't want me to lift until after they got me off prednisone.

Muay Thai · May 18, 2009

LATS said:
steroids like prednisone will slow healing.. i have run into this myself..

yeah and spike your cortisol and make you gain bullshit weight!!!

fucking docs forgot to tell me about the methylpredisolone side affect

Newman · May 18, 2009

LATS said:
steroids like prednisone will slow healing.. i have run into this myself..

That's because Prednisone isn't an anabolic steroid, it's a corticosteroid.

Newman · May 18, 2009

crazy_j said:
This is what I have been hearing. Any AAS or any steroidal medicine will make it difficult for a wound, even a simple cut, to heal properly.

Sorry, but I don't think that's true.

Anavar, EQ & deca have all been shown to encourage collagen synthesis, so although I've read on other forums about studies that have shown that testosterone over 200 mg per week may inhibit collagen formation, I don't think it's necessarilly accurrate to say that ALL gear types will prevent/slow healing.

Equipoise & deca are often run concurrently with test to help prevent tendon/ligament injuries.

Now winny, on the other hand, I read to cause faster collagen formation, but strangely build weaker tendons.

Newman · May 18, 2009

crazy_j said:
I thought that it would make healing faster but a bunch of people had told me that it actually will hinder the healing process. I had a doctor tell me that healing slows due to AAS use. I havent seen any studies on it but I figured if a doc was telling me that it could possibly be true. I would be curious to see any study done to support it or not.

You should ask the doctor to explain how steroids prevent healing when we know that they allow faster recovery times from the small micro tears that we put into out muscles every time we worout good & hard...

The fact is that AAS has been used to help prisoners of war recovered from Nazi concentration camps to recover their strength & put onmuscle.AAS has also been used to help cancer patients & AIDS patients recover their strength & gain weight.

The doctor should already know this stuff...

I think the doc was just trying to discourage roid use...

CDJack · May 18, 2009

Newman said:
Sorry, but I don't think that's true.

Anavar, EQ & deca have all been shown to encourage collagen synthesis, so although I've read on other forums about studies that have shown that testosterone over 200 mg per week may inhibit collagen formation, I don't think it's necessarilly accurrate to say that ALL gear types will prevent/slow healing.

Equipoise & deca are often run concurrently with test to help prevent tendon/ligament injuries.

Now winny, on the other hand, I read to cause faster collagen formation, but strangely build weaker tendons.

This is what I'm talking about. The test over 200mg per week inhibitting collagen formation was on this forum once...with ZERO references. What studies? Please show me a study that shows this

Muay Thai · May 18, 2009

Newman said:
That's because Prednisone isn't an anabolic steroid, it's a corticosteroid.

I am pretty confident LATS is aware of this.

most corticosteroids are CATABOLIC not ANABOLIC

h8tr3d · May 18, 2009

Newman said:
I think the doc was just trying to discourage roid use...

exactly!

jm425 · May 18, 2009

Newman said:
Sorry, but I don't think that's true.

Anavar, EQ & deca have all been shown to encourage collagen synthesis, so although I've read on other forums about studies that have shown that testosterone over 200 mg per week may inhibit collagen formation, I don't think it's necessarilly accurrate to say that ALL gear types will prevent/slow healing.

Equipoise & deca are often run concurrently with test to help prevent tendon/ligament injuries.

Now winny, on the other hand, I read to cause faster collagen formation, but strangely build weaker tendons.

Prevent tendon/ligament injuries from eq and deca? That's not true. Eq and deca don't do that. Gh does that.

Newman · May 19, 2009

jm425 said:
Prevent tendon/ligament injuries from eq and deca? That's not true. Eq and deca don't do that. Gh does that.

You misunderstood me.

What I meant was that EQ, Anavar & Deca all increase collagen synthesis, NOT decrease it.

Adding deca or EQ to a test stack is cheap insurance to ripping out a tendon & watching all the gains catabolise away from sedentary atrophy while the tendon heals...

Deca can cause "deca dick", while EQ improves appetite. Guess which one I'm choosing...

LATS · May 19, 2009

THANKS MUAY THAI.. yes, what i was referring to is the fact that many docs will tell you that steroids will slow healing.. but, even docs confuse anabolics and cortico.. example.. after my surgery for a hernia my doc told me that steroids would slow the healing process.. i said "you mean anabolics or corticosteroids?" he literally could not answer the question.. i then said "you mean like prednisone".. he said "oh.. yeah like prednisone"...

another example recently in the news was a doctor talking about how the wrestler billy graham had degenerating hips and ligaments from taking "steroids".. now billy has made some money going on talk shows talking about how anabolics have ruins his bones and hips ect.. when his doctor was asked how this happens he stated that they were injecting him very often in the hips so that he could wrestle pain free which led to the degeneration.. well, the dip shit was not differentiating cortisone from testosterone ... so even his docs were not making the disconnect and the show was about steroid abuse.. ANABOLIC STEROID ABUSE.. so people hear that and so do the docs and naturally associate all steroids as having slow healing effects or degenerating effect over time..

LATS · May 19, 2009

oh and by the way.. i brought up the collagen theory to dave palumbo.. he said that all gear does that to a extent.. even test.. the only thing i do not like is that "study" which showed huge %'s of collagen increase that was posted here a while back.. i am with CDJACK on this.. post the studies.. if they are out there i would love to see them... but, showing that eq increased it by some silly high % i have never found.. now i dont doubt that they do increase it.. so this is not directed towards newman at all.. he brings up good points.. it is just i would like to see studies to verify the actual increases.. that study that was posted here was too good to be true..

CDJack · May 19, 2009

LATS said:
oh and by the way.. i brought up the collagen theory to dave palumbo.. he said that all gear does that to a extent.. even test.. the only thing i do not like is that "study" which showed huge %'s of collagen increase that was posted here a while back.. i am with CDJACK on this.. post the studies.. if they are out there i would love to see them... but, showing that eq increased it by some silly high % i have never found.. now i dont doubt that they do increase it.. so this is not directed towards newman at all.. he brings up good points.. it is just i would like to see studies to verify the actual increases.. that study that was posted here was too good to be true..

LOL, it wasn't even a study bro. It was an ARTICLE written by some guy. He had zero footnotes or references. It was totally made up.

crazy_j · May 19, 2009

LATS said:
THANKS MUAY THAI.. yes, what i was referring to is the fact that many docs will tell you that steroids will slow healing.. but, even docs confuse anabolics and cortico.. example.. after my surgery for a hernia my doc told me that steroids would slow the healing process.. i said "you mean anabolics or corticosteroids?" he literally could not answer the question.. i then said "you mean like prednisone".. he said "oh.. yeah like prednisone"...

another example recently in the news was a doctor talking about how the wrestler billy graham had degenerating hips and ligaments from taking "steroids".. now billy has made some money going on talk shows talking about how anabolics have ruins his bones and hips ect.. when his doctor was asked how this happens he stated that they were injecting him very often in the hips so that he could wrestle pain free which led to the degeneration.. well, the dip shit was not differentiating cortisone from testosterone ... so even his docs were not making the disconnect and the show was about steroid abuse.. ANABOLIC STEROID ABUSE.. so people hear that and so do the docs and naturally associate all steroids as having slow healing effects or degenerating effect over time..

The doctor I heard it from said anabolic steroids and steroidal medicines will slow healing. He did specify both and stressed the anabolics will cause a slow down in the healing process. I dont totally understand it but he is the doc so I guess he knows something about it from the medical side that I dont.