Moderate dosages

[Big Slice]

I just take cialis knocks 10-15 points off

 

[Kag94]

I am not one to talk low doses but i dont understand how some guys can handle the doses. I can hardly handle a gram total anymore and i never touched 2 grams in my life. 1 gram of test would put my bp thru the roof and i would feel like shit.

This is where genetics comes to play

 

[Big Slice]

This is where genetics comes to play

true plus bf,cardio,diet,stress,sleep.

 

[needthepump]

like I said, "moderate" can vary from person to person.

a "moderate" cycle for me would be 2g test and 450 tren/wk, along with maybe an oral.

a "heavy" cycle? that would take a while to write out, but would be anywhere from 4g-7g total.

I do respect your honesty with dosages. I know far too many lie and downplay the totals. I have been scared to run over 1200 mgs total as I heard dorain yates say he did 750 mgs of test and 450 mgs deca. I have heard other pros say the same and I actually believed it in the past.

 

[needthepump]

Im curious how many guys here are on Bp meds.

I have borderline hypertension (135/85) and will start bp meds this month i will ask the dr for them. The silent killer is no joke.

 

[Pusher]

I do respect your honesty with dosages. I know far too many lie and downplay the totals. I have been scared to run over 1200 mgs total as I heard dorain yates say he did 750 mgs of test and 450 mgs deca. I have heard other pros say the same and I actually believed it in the past.

well, there's a couple factors with my doses. #1, I have unlimited supply. lol #2, if I had neg side effects at whatever dose I ran, I'd lower it, but my body tolerates it.

 

[little slice]

Makes me mad bro. So stupid!! For years his bp was 200/108 range but then a month later it would be lower but still high. He said he could not function on bp meds, they make him tired blah blah. So stubborn its disturbing. Now he has issues, surprising! I have been telling him get a sleep study, nope wont do it.

I feel you bro. my mother is obese, completely sedentary, has a horrible diet, and has recently decided to start smoking cigarettes.


she also has really bad sleep apnea, which she refuses to get treated.


she's always complaining about how shit she feels.... but decided it would probably be a good idea to make everything worse I guess


she has no idea what sorts of horrors she's setting herself up for in the future, but nothing I can do about it

which one

lisinopril

 

[little slice]

well, there's a couple factors with my doses. #1, I have unlimited supply. lol #2, if I had neg side effects at whatever dose I ran, I'd lower it, but my body tolerates it.

it's interesting that you say that you experienced no negative side effects..



I was reading through some old threads, and a lot of people were saying similar things, and generally disregarding the serious nature of these drugs



a number of those people have since died or had other life-altering conditions develop... just some food for thought.

 

[thethinker48]

I do respect your honesty with dosages. I know far too many lie and downplay the totals. I have been scared to run over 1200 mgs total as I heard dorain yates say he did 750 mgs of test and 450 mgs deca. I have heard other pros say the same and I actually believed it in the past.

Dorian said he ran up 2.5 grams in the off season at one time, but he didn't feel like he needed that much. Usually ran 1500-1800 mgs in the off season. You also have to realize Dorian had amazing genetics, and a great response to not just drugs, but training as well (look at his pictures after 6 months of training). He's talked about how gifted he was when he was locked up, and the guards took notice of him, because he flew past everyone else very quickly on poor nutrition, and just basic lifting.

This topic's been discussed to death; there are some pros that use A LOT, some pros that use moderate, and some pros who use very little. It's all individual, and none of it has anything to do with how good of a bodybuilder you're going to be (health on the other hand is a different story). I've ran blood work on 500 mgs of good quality test prop, and it came back at 4800+ngl, those are HIGH levels; I wonder if you could even test to see blood concentration levels on some of the doses in this thread.

 

[thethinker48]

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"Well look, that cycle I listed above for prep was from 1993, and it was roughly 1,500 milligrams total. I never said I didn’t increase it at times over the years that followed. I was very meticulous, and kept records of all my workouts, meals and drug regimens. At one point, I did use as much as 2,500 milligrams per week in my off-season, but I didn’t see any further benefits than I had with 1,500. Again, everything I had was real and potent. Parabolan came in 76-milligram ampoules, and it was very strong. Nobody I ever talked to used more than three of those a week. I hear about guys now using 1,000 milligrams a week of tren, which is outrageous. If you have gifted genetics, you really won’t need mega doses. I honestly believe Ronnie Coleman was truly natural when he turned pro in 1991 at 215 pounds."

And yes, I believe him.

 

[nothuman]

Yep mine was similar to your higher numbers there.

Gonna go on the bp meds Im thinkin.

I need to research what BP meds are better for athletes?

You want Telmisartan. Google the life extension benefits of it.

 

[nothuman]

I just take cialis knocks 10-15 points off

I definitely don't get that dramatic of an effect with cialis. I've always felt it is overrated as a BP med.

 

[get it in ya]

it's interesting that you say that you experienced no negative side effects..



I was reading through some old threads, and a lot of people were saying similar things, and generally disregarding the serious nature of these drugs



a number of those people have since died or had other life-altering conditions develop... just some food for thought.

Exactly bro, you know what i mean. the stubbornness drives me nuts. We are all stubborn but man!! I test my bp on his machine and it is perfect. He checks his and it is 190/98. He looks at me and says see the machine doesnt work for me. Really??? Makes me angry

 

[get it in ya]

This is where genetics comes to play

I agree but the longer you stay on and the older you get the more sides you will get and its not easy to keep the bp perfect, i dont care how great someones genetics are

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

it's interesting that you say that you experienced no negative side effects..



I was reading through some old threads, and a lot of people were saying similar things, and generally disregarding the serious nature of these drugs



a number of those people have since died or had other life-altering conditions develop... just some food for thought.

I posted what i did earlier kind of tongue in cheek....I have absolutely no doubt, none whatsoever....that there will people on this thread that will either be in kidney failure/heart failure or not even around any longer within the next 7 years...you can take that to the bank.

 

[little slice]

I posted what i did earlier kind of tongue in cheek....I have absolutely no doubt, none whatsoever....that there will people on this thread that will either be in kidney failure/heart failure or not even around any longer within the next 7 years...you can take that to the bank.

yep



ostrich brigade in full force as of late

 

[bonacris]

Not big enough, the blast cycle isn't anything crazy, any good superheavy competitor is taking that at least.

i worked with a very popular guru, who recommends lower doses and that was the cycle he gave me, plus orals precontest for 16 weeks straight. Again this is from a guru that is known to be health conscious and cares about his clients health

Fair enough. For me the cons outweigh the pros in pushing the MGs that high.

 

[Pusher]

it's interesting that you say that you experienced no negative side effects..



I was reading through some old threads, and a lot of people were saying similar things, and generally disregarding the serious nature of these drugs



a number of those people have since died or had other life-altering conditions develop... just some food for thought.

I've had tons of bloodwork. my bp is borderline, but I gotta script for catapres anyways. diastolic is still <88 off BP meds and on full cycle. ast/alt have been elevated because of alcohol in the past, but other markers have always been ok. I've had probably 4 ekg's in the past 3years, all normal. upper body ct or MRI a few years back while on full cycle.

still have all my hair as well.

 

[BIG1512]

My bp has never been high. Always about 120/65 to 70. Make sure they are using a proper size cuff on your arm.

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[TheOtherOne55]

I'd be interested to see if people run higher doses precontest or offseason.

If you are a competitor precontest makes sense. Offseason you can just keep test high and throw in somehting like EQ or Deca at a moderate dose and grow.

But the competitors I know reallllly push the grams as well as the variety of compounds precontest. IMO how the hell do you know what is working when you are running Primo, Test, EQ, Mast and Tren plus orals. It's a guessing game at that point.

Either or, I think if straight growth is the key, 1g of test plus 500mgs of something else (plus slin and GH of course) is enough to pack on muscle in the offseason.