The most badass PROHORMONES

[mikennrg]

are there any PH's that dont negatively affect the prostate in anyway?

Iron Legion Dienazone and/or Mithras are great if you're sensitive to DHT.

 

[NGL34]

M1T is supposedly one of the worst aas in term of aromatizing, correc? I think i've hear its much worse then test susp or tne. I've seen it around, but haven't messed with it for that reason alone.

 

[JAP426]

A NEW ONE

Ironflex just came out with a pretty interesting one....Diabolix.....Prohormone to Dbol........Hmmmm

 

[LK3]

M1T is supposedly one of the worst aas in term of aromatizing, correc? I think i've hear its much worse then test susp or tne. I've seen it around, but haven't messed with it for that reason alone.

if done correctly you actually get less sides with tne then gear with an ester attached.

 

[Mike Arnold]

M1T is supposedly one of the worst aas in term of aromatizing, correc? I think i've hear its much worse then test susp or tne. I've seen it around, but haven't messed with it for that reason alone.

It doesn't aromatize at all.

 

[NGL34]

It doesn't aromatize at all.

then how would one go about reducing the heavy water retention? would any ancillaries would be effective?

 

[FuckYourWhiteHelmet!]

Yo check this crazy shit. My buddy is one of those prohormone lovers because of legality issues and shows me this shit called
Swoll250 by Wyked labs
DECA: 18-Methylestr-4-en-3-one-17b-ol – 15mg
Hexadrone: 6a-Chloro-androst-4-en-17b-ol-3-one – 15mg
Max LMG: 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one – 15mg
Methylstenbolone: 2,17a-dimethyl-5a-androsta-1-en-17b-ol-3-one – 3mg
I would just call it the liver rapist.

Came accross some other shit while I was looking that up and was surprised to find this kinda shit still out there.
Prohormone Stacks - Anabolic Androgenic Research-Prohormones, Sport Supplement Research and Development
Like dude wtf. One them has that same progestin from above on the top of swolls ingredients WITH trenavar WITH dymethazine WITH methylclostebol WITH bromoandrostendione WITH dihydroxyphenylalanine for estrogen control or whatever the fuck. This shits called ANDRO-GEDDON lol. I wonder if bruce willis takes it they have a bunch of stacks like that. The company is called anabolic androgenic research. I wouldnt even touch any of them even if I had an extra liver. They probably blow you the fuck up but you probably turn yellow within the first week lol. I would totally run it if I was rich and knew an organ smuggler I could hit up after my cycle. Im sure liver transplant is a staple necessity in every androgeddon pct protocol

 

[readyset]

Yo check this crazy shit. My buddy is one of those prohormone lovers because of legality issues and shows me this shit called
Swoll250 by Wyked labs
DECA: 18-Methylestr-4-en-3-one-17b-ol – 15mg
Hexadrone: 6a-Chloro-androst-4-en-17b-ol-3-one – 15mg
Max LMG: 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one – 15mg
Methylstenbolone: 2,17a-dimethyl-5a-androsta-1-en-17b-ol-3-one – 3mg
I would just call it the liver rapist.

Came accross some other shit while I was looking that up and was surprised to find this kinda shit still out there.
Prohormone Stacks - Anabolic Androgenic Research-Prohormones, Sport Supplement Research and Development
Like dude wtf. One them has that same progestin from above on the top of swolls ingredients WITH trenavar WITH dymethazine WITH methylclostebol WITH bromoandrostendione WITH dihydroxyphenylalanine for estrogen control or whatever the fuck. This shits called ANDRO-GEDDON lol. I wonder if bruce willis takes it they have a bunch of stacks like that. The company is called anabolic androgenic research. I wouldnt even touch any of them even if I had an extra liver. They probably blow you the fuck up but you probably turn yellow within the first week lol. I would totally run it if I was rich and knew an organ smuggler I could hit up after my cycle. Im sure liver transplant is a staple necessity in every androgeddon pct protocol

who comes up with this shit??

 

[dragonfire101]

If I recall correctly I believe 3 weeks at 40mg then 2 weeks at 50mg and the last week went 60mg. I split the doses AM and PM.

which brand was that ibe? thats what seems most popular?

 

[0893]

for those brothas who have run epistane, how liver toxic is it? how bad is it on the cholesterol? did you run anything else with it, or was it a solo run?

 

[Mike Arnold]

Yo check this crazy shit. My buddy is one of those prohormone lovers because of legality issues and shows me this shit called
Swoll250 by Wyked labs
DECA: 18-Methylestr-4-en-3-one-17b-ol – 15mg
Hexadrone: 6a-Chloro-androst-4-en-17b-ol-3-one – 15mg
Max LMG: 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one – 15mg
Methylstenbolone: 2,17a-dimethyl-5a-androsta-1-en-17b-ol-3-one – 3mg
I would just call it the liver rapist.
Came accross some other shit while I was looking that up and was surprised to find this kinda shit still out there.
Prohormone Stacks - Anabolic Androgenic Research-Prohormones, Sport Supplement Research and Development
Like dude wtf. One them has that same progestin from above on the top of swolls ingredients WITH trenavar WITH dymethazine WITH methylclostebol WITH bromoandrostendione WITH dihydroxyphenylalanine for estrogen control or whatever the fuck. This shits called ANDRO-GEDDON lol. I wonder if bruce willis takes it they have a bunch of stacks like that. The company is called anabolic androgenic research. I wouldnt even touch any of them even if I had an extra liver. They probably blow you the fuck up but you probably turn yellow within the first week lol. I would totally run it if I was rich and knew an organ smuggler I could hit up after my cycle. Im sure liver transplant is a staple necessity in every androgeddon pct protocol

This product is not hard on the liver at all. Only one of the 4 steroids within it is methylated--methylstenbolone---and it is dosed at only 3 mg per cap! Basically, each cap contains only 3 mg of methylated orals--hardly anything to worry about. A 40 mg daily dose of D-bol is far more toxic than 3 mg of M-sten.

This is why people need to know what they're looking at before they start assuming certain products are or aren't bad for the liver. Just because a legal product contains a half dozen different compounds does not necessarily mneans it is hard on the liver, let alone a liver killer. If you don't know what the actual compounds are within it, how could you possibly provide an educated opinion regarding its potential toxicity?

Now, if all 4 steroids were methylated, it would be much harder on the liver, but even then, its degree of toxicity would be completely dependent on the type of compounds included, as not all methylated drugs are equal in terms of toxicity.

For example, I don't know too many people who would consider 50 mg of D-bol daily to be a "liver killer", but that same dose of Methyltrienolone could indeed kill you within a relatively short period of time. (M-tren is sometimes sold by UGL's and often dosed in the mcg or low-single mg range).

Blindly claiming that all legal products are liver killers, as many people do, is part of the reasn so many people have formed a skewed perception regarding the suitability of legal steroids. Far too many people, due to being wrongly informed, are under the impression that all legal steroids (often referred to as PH's, even though most of the anabolics sold legally are NOT ph's, but 100% active oral AAS) are much more liver toxic han prescription of blackmarket orals. This just isn't the case--at all.

This rumor got started because a couple legal orals did indeed demonstrate above average toxicity (but they were also exceedingly potent, surpassing all prescription orals in muscle building potency, per mg), but even then, they could still be used safely when administered responsibly. Aside from a small few, most of the legal orals that have hot the market over the last 10 years are pretty much in the same ballpark as our script orals when it comes to toxicity. Every oral steroid, no matter what it is, can be used safely, so long as dosage and duration are acceptable for each individual drug.

 

[0893]

This product is not hard on the liver at all. Only one of the 4 steroids within it is methylated--methylstenbolone---and it is dosed at only 3 mg per cap! Basically, each cap contains only 3 mg of methylated orals--hardly anything to worry about. A 40 mg daily dose of D-bol is far more toxic than 3 mg of M-sten.

This is why people need to know what they're looking at before they start assuming certain products are or aren't bad for the liver. Just because a legal product contains a half dozen different compounds does not necessarily mneans it is hard on the liver, let alone a liver killer. If you don't know what the actual compounds are within it, how could you possibly provide an educated opinion regarding its potential toxicity?

Now, if all 4 steroids were methylated, it would be much harder on the liver, but even then, its degree of toxicity would be completely dependent on the type of compounds included, as not all methylated drugs are equal in terms of toxicity.

For example, I don't know too many people who would consider 50 mg of D-bol daily to be a "liver killer", but that same dose of Methyltrienolone could indeed kill you within a relatively short period of time. (M-tren is sometimes sold by UGL's and often dosed in the mcg or low-single mg range).

Blindly claiming that all legal products are liver killers, as many people do, is part of the reasn so many people have formed a skewed perception regarding the suitability of legal steroids. Far too many people, due to being wrongly informed, are under the impression that all legal steroids (often referred to as PH's, even though most of the anabolics sold legally are NOT ph's, but 100% active oral AAS) are much more liver toxic han prescription of blackmarket orals. This just isn't the case--at all.

This rumor got started because a couple legal orals did indeed demonstrate above average toxicity (but they were also exceedingly potent, surpassing all prescription orals in muscle building potency, per mg), but even then, they could still be used safely when administered responsibly. Aside from a small few, most of the legal orals that have hot the market over the last 10 years are pretty much in the same ballpark as our script orals when it comes to toxicity. Every oral steroid, no matter what it is, can be used safely, so long as dosage and duration are acceptable for each individual drug.

Hey mike you know a lot about "legal AAS" so I have to ask: in your opinion what would be your top 3? In terms of potency/safety? Any you would recommend staying away from?

 

[BigNJ]

This product is not hard on the liver at all. Only one of the 4 steroids within it is methylated--methylstenbolone---and it is dosed at only 3 mg per cap! Basically, each cap contains only 3 mg of methylated orals--hardly anything to worry about. A 40 mg daily dose of D-bol is far more toxic than 3 mg of M-sten.

This is why people need to know what they're looking at before they start assuming certain products are or aren't bad for the liver. Just because a legal product contains a half dozen different compounds does not necessarily mneans it is hard on the liver, let alone a liver killer. If you don't know what the actual compounds are within it, how could you possibly provide an educated opinion regarding its potential toxicity?

Now, if all 4 steroids were methylated, it would be much harder on the liver, but even then, its degree of toxicity would be completely dependent on the type of compounds included, as not all methylated drugs are equal in terms of toxicity.

For example, I don't know too many people who would consider 50 mg of D-bol daily to be a "liver killer", but that same dose of Methyltrienolone could indeed kill you within a relatively short period of time. (M-tren is sometimes sold by UGL's and often dosed in the mcg or low-single mg range).

Blindly claiming that all legal products are liver killers, as many people do, is part of the reasn so many people have formed a skewed perception regarding the suitability of legal steroids. Far too many people, due to being wrongly informed, are under the impression that all legal steroids (often referred to as PH's, even though most of the anabolics sold legally are NOT ph's, but 100% active oral AAS) are much more liver toxic han prescription of blackmarket orals. This just isn't the case--at all.

This rumor got started because a couple legal orals did indeed demonstrate above average toxicity (but they were also exceedingly potent, surpassing all prescription orals in muscle building potency, per mg), but even then, they could still be used safely when administered responsibly. Aside from a small few, most of the legal orals that have hot the market over the last 10 years are pretty much in the same ballpark as our script orals when it comes to toxicity. Every oral steroid, no matter what it is, can be used safely, so long as dosage and duration are acceptable for each individual drug.

Mike, how do you compare DMZ 3.0 (IrongMag Labs) with say 50mg of dbal, in terms of Toxicity and effictiveness?

 

[AMG45]

I got in to these back in the day before I stumbled across something online and joined the dark side. I tried
-jungle warfare original not extreme
-Mdrol "superdrol" by competetive edge labs
-Hdrol
-Warrior which was a crazy ass blend of Tren Superdrol Epistane and an absorption agent

I remember warrior, that blend is nuts

 

[showstoppa]

Ibe is now celtic/phf/pureoils just so yall know.

 

[showstoppa]

There is no "best brand" anymore. There are many "best" brands out there today. Any company which spends the money doing independent 3rd party lab testing for every batch of every oral is the "best" company.

Remember, all of these orals are 100% legal and therefore extremeley easy to manufacture and purchase for just about anyone. Being legal, there is tons of competition out there between the various manufacurers, which forces the individual manufacurers to step up or risk losing long-term business from supplement companies.

Of course, not all manufacurers are good, but many these days are. These steroids are not hard to make. Any decent company with the right equipment and know how can make this stuff exactly the way it is supposed to be made...and plenty do.

The product above, made by Blackstone, is a very potent product.

I know IML 3rd party lab tests all their products...every batch.

I actually meant to include iml/blackstone and iron legion in my post also. All four of those companies do lab testing. And I agree 1000% mike so long as it is lab tested I could give two shits who makes it so long as whats labeled is verfied to be in the bottle.

 

[AshopRep]

Ibe is now celtic/phf/pureoils just so yall know.

Very interesting.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Hey mike you know a lot about "legal AAS" so I have to ask: in your opinion what would be your top 3? In terms of potency/safety? Any you would recommend staying away from?

What do you mean when you say "potency"? Are you asking which one causes the most growth, the most strength gains, or results in the greatest improvement in muscle quality? In other words, "potent" in what regard?

In terms of muscle-building, Dimethazine, a DHT derivative, is the best muscle AND strength builder for the largest number of people. 50 mg per day of this stuff will result in greater growth than an equivalent dose of D-bol or Anadrol. This has been proven by 1,000's of real-world experiences and even legitimate clinical studies conducted by Big Pharma (Dimethazine was a script drug in Italy and Mexico decades ago), in whicn Dimethazine was compared directly against Anadrol, testosterone prop, methylest, and Wintsrol for myotropic potency (muscle building power). Per mg, Dimethazine trumped them all by a significant margin! The stuff also makes you much harder and drier than Anadrol.

Many people also experience greater strength gains than they do with Anadrol and certainly D-bol.

It's hard to say what the next best mass & strength builder is, as there is no overwhelmingly clear winner..and not everyone responds the same. 1-Alpha at 60-80 mg daily is pretty damn strong, as is methylstenbolone at 40 mg daily. The 1-Alpha can be dosed higher than the M-sten due to a lower level of toxicity, but lethargy can be an issue for some with this drug.

Epistane is a good lean-mass builder when used at moderate-high dosages, but is not on par with muscle builders like Dimethazine. Still, 60-80 mg daily consistently produces significant gains in dry, lean mass.

SD, although now a controlled substance, was the best of the bunch. My favorite oral steroid of all time--by a LONG shot. Actually, it is my favorite steroid, period. No other drug has ever provided the same combination of massive size & strength in such a short period of time, along with an increase in muscle hardness and killer vascularity. It really does provide the best of both worlds. Some guys experienc lethargy--others don't.

M1T, now a controlled substance as well, was exceedingly potent when it came to raw mass gains. Just 30 mg of this stuff daily would blow anyone up in record time. It puts Anadrol to shame--it really does. I have seen some guys try 40 mg daily with crazy gains in size, assuming they are still able to eat. Along with its superior potency, it also has the worst sides of any steroid yet released (generally speaking). It pretty much screws up every health marker--hard on the liver, destroys lipids, massive BP increases, extreme lethargy, appetite suppression, etc, etc, etc, etc.


As far as which steroids you should stay away from, I can't possibly answer that question for you. Remember, these are just steroids--not rat poison. Even the worst of them (M1T) can be used safely, so long as dose and duration of use are appropriate. The drugs you should use are those that best meet your needs, whatever they happen to be...and when I say "needs", I am not just referring to one's muscle or strength goals, but to their overall circumstances--including health. Obviously, someone who already has high BP and a stressed liver is not going to want to add some M1T into his program. No matter what the drug is, its use should make sense for the individual.

 

[Mike Arnold]

I actually meant to include iml/blackstone and iron legion in my post also. All four of those companies do lab testing. And I agree 1000% mike so long as it is lab tested I could give two shits who makes it so long as whats labeled is verfied to be in the bottle.

Gotcha.

 

[0893]

What do you mean when you say "potency"? Are you asking which one causes the most growth, the most strength gains, or results in the greatest improvement in muscle quality? In other words, "potent" in what regard?

In terms of muscle-building, Dimethazine, a DHT derivative, is the best muscle AND strength builder for the largest number of people. 50 mg per day of this stuff will result in greater growth than an equivalent dose of D-bol or Anadrol. This has been proven by 1,000's of real-world experiences and even legitimate clinical studies conducted by Big Pharma (Dimethazine was a script drug in Italy and Mexico decades ago), in whicn Dimethazine was compared directly against Anadrol, testosterone prop, methylest, and Wintsrol for myotropic potency (muscle building power). Per mg, Dimethazine trumped them all by a significant margin! The stuff also makes you much harder and drier than Anadrol.

Many people also experience greater strength gains than they do with Anadrol and certainly D-bol.

It's hard to say what the next best mass & strength builder is, as there is no overwhelmingly clear winner..and not everyone responds the same. 1-Alpha at 60-80 mg daily is pretty damn strong, as is methylstenbolone at 40 mg daily. The 1-Alpha can be dosed higher than the M-sten due to a lower level of toxicity, but lethargy can be an issue for some with this drug.

Epistane is a good lean-mass builder when used at moderate-high dosages, but is not on par with muscle builders like Dimethazine. Still, 60-80 mg daily consistently produces significant gains in dry, lean mass.

SD, although now a controlled substance, was the best of the bunch. My favorite oral steroid of all time--by a LONG shot. Actually, it is my favorite steroid, period. No other drug has ever provided the same combination of massive size & strength in such a short period of time, along with an increase in muscle hardness and killer vascularity. It really does provide the best of both worlds. Some guys experienc lethargy--others don't.

M1T, now a controlled substance as well, was exceedingly potent when it came to raw mass gains. Just 30 mg of this stuff daily would blow anyone up in record time. It puts Anadrol to shame--it really does. I have seen some guys try 40 mg daily with crazy gains in size, assuming they are still able to eat. Along with its superior potency, it also has the worst sides of any steroid yet released (generally speaking). It pretty much screws up every health marker--hard on the liver, destroys lipids, massive BP increases, extreme lethargy, appetite suppression, etc, etc, etc, etc.


As far as which steroids you should stay away from, I can't possibly answer that question for you. Remember, these are just steroids--not rat poison. Even the worst of them (M1T) can be used safely, so long as dose and duration of use are appropriate. The drugs you should use are those that best meet your needs, whatever they happen to be...and when I say "needs", I am not just referring to one's muscle or strength goals, but to their overall circumstances--including health. Obviously, someone who already has high BP and a stressed liver is not going to want to add some M1T into his program. No matter what the drug is, its use should make sense for the individual.

Thank you sir. very informative.