What Anti E with Deca Test Stack?

[Scottyd]

I've read that using nolva with deca can increase your chances of gyno. I was wondering who here has any experience with this. I was planning on doing a test c, deca, dbol cycle. I've plenty of Nolva and Clomid but now I'm not sure if I want to use the Deca cause I'm afraid of the gyno issue. Is the Deca gyno only at higher doses? What anti E do you suggest with deca Or what changes to the cycle would you make? I've no problem leaving the deca out completely cause I'd rather not risk it... Thanks for your help.

cycle would be like this:
weeks 1-12 test c 500mg week
weeks 1-10 Deca 400mg week
weeks 1-4 Dbol 30 mg ed
weeks 1-12 Nolva 10mg ed or as needed

Clomid & Nolva for PCT

 

[The BB Monad]

I'll be running the following, starting 1st December:

1-12 Test E 500mg
1-11 Deca 400mg
1-4 Dbol 40mg
10-14 Anavar 50mg

15-17 PCT with Clomid and Nolva

Arimidex throughout the cycle to control gyno and estrogen issues. HCG at 500iu every 5 days to keep my nuts going...

 

[MegatronsMuscle]

For my body Deca is great as long as I use a prolactin antagonist. I use Pramipexole but you might want to research other prolactin antagonists as well (Prami has an "edge" to it - you have to follow strict dosing/diet guidelines or it will bite you in the ass). It does take the prolactin risk out of using 19 Nors though (no Deca dick, gyno, etc.)

Macro/Researchstop have posted in the past (with research links) that Nolva and 19-Nors is a bad idea. I use Exemestane primarily but am currently on low dose letro (not because I like letro but I did have an extra bottle to use) to cover the AI part of the equation. Exemestane keeps you nice and dry on cycle (no test bloat, acne, etc.). I use Clomid every 10 weeks to remind my testicles what they are there for.

This is my experience from personal use - everyone is different though.

 

[jm425]

I would suggest either aromasin or adex for an AI for test and prami or caber for deca. At the doses you suggested, I don't really see you having problems to the point where you would need AIs but then again, I don't know if your gyno sensitive either. Just keep those AIs I have recommended on you and use them if you start experiencing estro and/or progesterone related sides.

 

[PsyT]

isn't nolvadex no good to take if you develop gyno from deca??? Or was that a myth somebody started...???

 

[juicy j]

It is not a good idea to take nolva on cycle but a PCT is PCT no matter what compounds you use. So during pct, nolva and clomid are all good to use.

isn't nolvadex no good to take if you develop gyno from deca??? Or was that a myth somebody started...???

 

[Macro]

It is not a good idea to take nolva on cycle but a PCT is PCT no matter what compounds you use. So during pct, nolva and clomid are all good to use.

PCT is not just PCT. You are adding hormones that, while also working to restore HPGA, can exacerbate prolactin/progestin induced gynecomastia. tamoxifen upregulates PgR expression, its use POST CYCLE has been linked to gynecomastia from progestins as well as many of the methylated designer steroids.


of note- strong androgens are often progestins (either agonists or antagonists)-- either way they suppress natural progesterone and tend to highly suppress HPGA. so something that may not be a classic progestin does not necessarily exclude it from causing PgR related prolactin issues.