Would you do things differently???

[Medic08]

There has been a few threads lately about people having health issues from possible gear use/abuse so my question IF you could go back and do it all over again would you do things differently or possible just use modearte doses of test, GH, and possibly slin? Obviously too much of anything is bad for your health.... Now I know that HGH and slin are reccomended for people that compete or plan on competing or experinced users, but this hormones are naturally produced by the human body so obviously they are user friendly. Don't misinturpret my post thinking that Im saying slin is not dangerous, but if user in a SAFE manor it can be a very useful tool. Now I never plan on competing, but I have used gear(test, dbol) on a few ocassions ;-). I've never even ran a 19nor, but it just seems that test, hgh, slin only would be the safer route LONG TERM assuming you're not abusing these hormones. Now some might say that I shouldn't be using gear period since I'm not a BB or have plans to be one, but it is nice to see tremendous gains in a shorter period of time. Is my logic busted, or do some feel the same way? I guess this is directed towards people who don't plan on competing at all, and not so much at people who compete at national/pro level... Because let's face it if you plan on competing at the top you have to be willing to do WHATEVER it takes to win a show.

 

[repmks]

if i would do it over again. i wouldn't do it at all. i would be one of those guys who just goes to the gym to do some curls, bench, abs and leave. none of this hardcore crap.

 

[tenny]

if i could do it all over again

i would NOT have walked into the gym

i'm sick now......in my head about it
and its cost me alot of conflict in the past and present

 

[Ehren]

Yes, I would do it all again. WAY differently though.

Sports gave me direction, I was headed down the path to jail. PL and Oly lifting paved the way to College, introduced me to lifelong friends, a lot of traveling around the world and sports are responsible for the life I have now, which is good.

I know what Tenny means though; this sport and its oddities had me for a while (PL and Oly lifting/Track and Field). I'm pretty sure I had what we call "bigorexia", ending up a powerful, but overweight 273 at 6'1". I wasn't happy unless the weight went up or lifts got better. I was deeply depressed after a bad day in the gym or at a meet.

A bad back injury, and a change of life and job cured me of that. There was just no way to stay that big doing what I did.

Gear? I would have used it in College, rather than the end of high-school and had better PCT (rather than NONE). I love a little gear nowadays (doing it where it's legal of course), but respect it deeply, now that I'm sane and understand things better and after I taking about 15 years off it to get some perspective.

 

[lennoxchi]

I've only been lifting for 4 years solid now so my opinion might not be the same as those long time lifters but.....lifting gave me a life again, well, at least part of it. let me explain.

from age 15 to 28 i abused drugs and alcohol. got "sober" (hopefully for the last time) at 28, now 33. i did some lifting in HS (football) and shortly afterwards but nothing serious. after escaping the cult, which is my wording for AA/CA, i found lifting again. now i like to keep busy so watching TV, sitting around doing nothing or anything like that is not for me, so lifting came as a welcome friend. living this lifestyle takes time and patience, two things i now have. having a balanced life is something i never had, sober or drunk/stoned. even when i was sober i lived in meetings when i wasn't working. lifting has given me a bit of balance, i do not live in the gym but i divide my time to family, work and gym in a better manner than i ever have drunk or sober.

would i do anything differently? not yet......

 

[chris250]

I wouldve checked my health out first and kept up with doctor appt. to have blood work and BP done all the time...

also not doing higher doses these last couple years, as I think that was more to blame than anything else.. I've seen it myself that I grew great on 300-400mg test a week, and 200mg EQ or deca and was growing like a weed, cause I was healthy and felt great..but doing 1500mg of test, 600mg EQ, or deca, with an oral on top of it...I just felt like crap...(thats when im BP was high and I thought that was normal, DUMB) anyway, I've learned from it..So its time to move on

 

[Medic08]

Well the good thing is Chris you've lived and learned. A lot of people would say that "oh it's not the gear" and would just keep blasting away. If you don't Mind me asking is 1.5g test really the highest you ever went? You don't have to answer if you don't want, is just that you're a big guy and I woulda assumed you're dosages would have been higher. Actually I'm suprised at some of the responses I've gotten so far. Suprised people actually said they wish they would have never walked in a gym.... Thanks for the honest responses guys.

 

[chris250]

Well the good thing is Chris you've lived and learned. A lot of people would say that "oh it's not the gear" and would just keep blasting away. If you don't Mind me asking is 1.5g test really the highest you ever went? You don't have to answer if you don't want, is just that you're a big guy and I woulda assumed you're dosages would have been higher. Actually I'm suprised at some of the responses I've gotten so far. Suprised people actually said they wish they would have never walked in a gym.... Thanks for the honest responses guys.

Oh no, I've tried going higher doses but I could only make it for a few weeks before I felt like hell..1500mg for a few months is the highest I've ever ran for a longer peoid of time...Honeslty up until about 2006-2007 I've never ran much more than 600-750mg of test, with an anabolic like EQ or deca at 200-300mg per week...that was an heavy offseason cycle for me...I would do that for 10-15 weeks then lower it to 200mg per week for a couple of months and do it over again..then in 2006 I wanted to compete at a higher level so I just basically double my doses up...and thats when the real issues started...

 

[Hiramabiff]

Thanks Chris for being so open. I always felt big boys do big things. Big A confirmed it as well. Good topic Medic08.

 

[Silencer]

Would I do things differently....?

Part of me says yes, because I've thought about all the hours of my life I've put into the gym and what would have happened if I put those towards another sport/hobby/business endeavor...

On the other hand, this entire process has helped me become who I am today, so by that standard, I'd say no.

All my sides are lightweight -- some hair loss, an enlarged prostate, slightly thickened left ventricle, but nothing that makes regret having gone down this road... though reading about what has happened to people like Chris250 and maldorf give me GREAT pause...

I would change the following:

1. I'd focus much more on nutrition. I have wasted entire years by slacking off on that.

2. Based on my body, I would have done longer, lower dose cycles right from the start with correct PCT, rather than short, high mg cycles that had me going up and down between two weight levels like a yo-yo for a long time.

 

[Johnny Smiles]

woulda done things WAY different

wish i never touched the needle.
wish i was natural to this day. i think i coulda been a GREAT nattie bb'er.
wish i NEVER stayed "on" year round.
wish i would at worst cycled on and off just for shows.
wish i wasn't a heart attack waiting to happen.
wish i woulda taken up golf or something but i have good genetics for this...
wish i could walk away.
wish i could just be normal....
but as of this moment. at this time, i can't. but i am trying....
-JS

 

[maldorf]

if i could do it all over again

i would NOT have walked into the gym

i'm sick now......in my head about it
and its cost me alot of conflict in the past and present

Im with you too, at least I feel that way part of the time. I cut my life short many many years because of my obsession. Best to just stay natural and work with what nature gave you. When I got old enough, I might look into HRT though. Real HRT, and not the BS you see so much on the sites.

 

[whiteknucks]

I wouldnt change a thing. you aint guaranteed tomorrow. every day you take tons of risks by every move you make. you just have to be cautious in every move you make.

 

[Johnny Smiles]

question?

I wouldnt change a thing. you aint guaranteed tomorrow. every day you take tons of risks by every move you make. you just have to be cautious in every move you make.

do you have children?
-JS

 

[kid1dakota]

do you have children?
-JS

That makes most see life totally different.When children are involved doing harm to yourself is indirectly doing harm to others who love and depend on you and is very selfish.

 

[scrapper13]

in a few of the post i see "i wish i was normal" and "i'm sick now"....do you think a lot of the guys who end up in this sport have other issues and use the gym as a way to deal? sometimes i feel the same way, i feel as though without this part of my life i wouldn't be sane.

 

[npcout]

If I could go back, I would prolly stick to, Test+gh+slin+igf and stick with that for long periods of time instead of going from tren, to deca, to npp, to dbol, etc.

I feel much healthier with the test+peptides so to stay.

 

[Stewie Griffon]

i wouldnt change a thing! honestly i am happy with the way things worked out for me

only one maybe - when i was say 13 or 14 some HGH would have been nice so i would be taller!!! lol

i believe at that time however there was no synthetic GH, only cadaver, which is dangerous

 

[purelifting]

It's very intresting the responces I see. It makes me think not to go down this road.

 

[Ehren]

Yeah...

but it's only one cycle, right?

Whatever you do, never believe that self-deception

Know that once you start, it'll more than likely be a long road, sometimes enjoyable, sometimes not so much. 8 weeks turns to 12 or 16 and you're doing so well, feeling great, then a long PCT, then you've been "off" a while, but not really, then you read somewhere that it's best to stay on until you've reached your goal (which keeps moving up by a few lbs or inches every time you get close to your old goal), then you've got some gear left over or a get a good price on some more and maybe want to try an oral, then you're back on. And soon, it's been 8 months and 2 cycles...or 8 years...