Clean Bulk

[JuiceMan01]

I am running 600/ wk Test E, 400/ wk Deca and 50 ed of dbol. I am eating clean everyday. I seem to be stedily gaining on this cycle. But I am also gaining some fat. My love handles and my stomach look bigger. I think I may be eating too much or is this normal? Also, what percent of water weight should I expect to lose here. My friend said that I will lose about 25% of my gains in water weight. Does this seem acurate?

 

[jimmyjones]

I am running 600/ wk Test E, 400/ wk Deca and 50 ed of dbol. I am eating clean everyday. I seem to be stedily gaining on this cycle. But I am also gaining some fat. My love handles and my stomach look bigger. I think I may be eating too much or is this normal? Also, what percent of water weight should I expect to lose here. My friend said that I will lose about 25% of my gains in water weight. Does this seem acurate?

What is your weight and roughly how many calories are you eating daily?

 

[JuiceMan01]

I weigh 230. I am eating about 5000 calories a day.

 

[jimmyjones]

I weigh 230. I am eating about 5000 calories a day.

If youre gaining too much fat, keep the fats low and the carbs on the lower side but keep the protein high....

 

[oldfella]

If youre gaining too much fat, keep the fats low and the carbs on the lower side but keep the protein high....

Give us full stats. but at a guess I wold say drop cals by 500. take them from fats first and then carbs. I would like to see the ratios of Pro, carb and fats you are currently running in that 5k cals.
I would like to see them as grams of each not calories. You are overeating though! Also what is your daily water intake?

 

[mikeyt869]

oldfella is on the right track although for me id lower it by about 500 evenly between carbs and fats, just because carbs make me watery and smooth.

 

[Steve123]

You're up over 20 calories per pound of body weight. That's pretty high. Not to say one size fits all but you should be able to gain nicely on 15/#.

More food doesn't necessarily make you more anabolic. Eat enough of a surpluss to push the scale but not too much more or it will be fat.

I have no experience with AAS but this seems to hold true for non users at least.

 

[COASTAL]

I would lose weight at record speeds at 15cal per # of bodyweight. Thats approx what I used when dieting down and I started at about 230.....I would say anywhere from 15-18 would be maintenance for most, of course this is just a figure. People's metabolisms range so greatly its hard to pinpoint an exact number.

 

[alecaf]

I would lose weight at record speeds at 15cal per # of bodyweight. Thats approx what I used when dieting down and I started at about 230.....I would say anywhere from 15-18 would be maintenance for most, of course this is just a figure. People's metabolisms range so greatly its hard to pinpoint an exact number.

same here. I could be eating 600g of Protein and still wouldn't grow if calories are under 18 per bodyweight. I need more than 4,000 to grow. BTW i am extreme ecto

 

[full_belly]

Yes I am the same 15cal/lb is a nice starting contest prep... however everyone is VERY different, once i getto 25cal/lb i gain fat, but mainly on handles, i am sensitive to simple carbs and carbs that are ill timed!!

like old fella asked what are your full breakdowns?, also look at your timings?

1. Are you mixing carbs AND fats in the same meal? = fat gain.
2. Are you eating carbs after 6pm? (not counting post workout nutrition)
3. whilst dietary fat foe me is high, dinner is not high fat even tho i have no carbs in this meal.
4. Are you doin morning fasted cardio? Ask any big fella's here DC, massive G etc, if you eatin enuff to grow well you potentially are eating enuff to gain fat, so use cardio and carb cutoffs to limit.

 

[latimus]

sounds like you are over analyzing this. if your gaining fat to much just cut back on your fats and carbs a tad. its that easy bro. dont worry about water weight and holding water thats just part of the game. the scale doesnt matter, go by the mirror and measurements. trust me bro you get rid of that scale and you will completey take that mind fuck out of the game.
I use to do the same thing. get stressed when gaining fat. so then I would cut back and my weight would drop and I would get scared because I thought I was hindering gains. so then I would stuff my face to make sure I kept seeing the scale go up. its a viscous cycle