Current bulking diet, carb cycling

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Trying to get 260-265

6meals/day

1-2 high days/week:
150-150-100-100-100-50 carbs per meal+rice cakes,fruits between meals + 40g protein/meal,no added fats
3-2 medium days/week:
125-125-100-75-75-0 carbs per meal + 50g protein/meal + 2tbsp peanut butter
3 low days:
50-50-50-50-50-0 + 50g protein per meal/meal + 4tbsp pb,3tbsp evoo

Training split:
Monday - 750-850g carbs,250g protein,30g fat - Chest,calves,cardio
Tuesday - 500g carbs,300g protein,50g fat - Legs
Wednesday - 250g carbs,300g protein,100g fat - cardio
Thursday - 500g carbs,300g protein,50g fat - Back,biceps,traps
Friday - 500g carbs,300g protein,50g fat - Shoulders,triceps
Saturday - 250g carbs,300g protein,100g fat - cardio
Sunday - 250g carbs,300g protein,100g fat

was on cutting diet last 10weeks (cycling carbs also-had 1-2 500g C days, 3 270g C days and 2-3 150-200g C day, protein 250-350g day,30-70g fats)

Opinions,suggestions?

 

[PHIL HERNON]

Well

Trying to get 260-265

6meals/day

1-2 high days/week:
150-150-100-100-100-50 carbs per meal+rice cakes,fruits between meals + 40g protein/meal,no added fats
3-2 medium days/week:
125-125-100-75-75-0 carbs per meal + 50g protein/meal + 2tbsp peanut butter
3 low days:
50-50-50-50-50-0 + 50g protein per meal/meal + 4tbsp pb,3tbsp evoo

Training split:
Monday - 750-850g carbs,250g protein,30g fat - Chest,calves,cardio
Tuesday - 500g carbs,300g protein,50g fat - Legs
Wednesday - 250g carbs,300g protein,100g fat - cardio
Thursday - 500g carbs,300g protein,50g fat - Back,biceps,traps
Friday - 500g carbs,300g protein,50g fat - Shoulders,triceps
Saturday - 250g carbs,300g protein,100g fat - cardio
Sunday - 250g carbs,300g protein,100g fat

was on cutting diet last 10weeks (cycling carbs also-had 1-2 500g C days, 3 270g C days and 2-3 150-200g C day, protein 250-350g day,30-70g fats)

Opinions,suggestions?

1. I do not understand this......without protein grams or fat grams or your body fat level now it is just a bunch of numbers..........why the obsession with carbs and why cycle them? How do you know how many it will take or not take to reach your goal?

 

[doug1]

1. I do not understand this......without protein grams or fat grams or your body fat level now it is just a bunch of numbers..........why the obsession with carbs and why cycle them? How do you know how many it will take or not take to reach your goal?

carbs are public enemy number one now. but guys know enough that their training absolutely sucks without them so they play games like this.

 

[doug1]

or some type of attempt at an anabolic response from supercompensation of carbs, some type of variation of duchaine's body opus....

 

[shawnkarbabacz]

i dont think phil was saying the actual diet was confusing, just the fact that without personal stats its impossible to comment on the diet in a personal regard. Obviiously advice would be different if the guy weighed 250 at 10% bf then if he weighed 190 at 18%.

 

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1. I do not understand this......without protein grams or fat grams or your body fat level now it is just a bunch of numbers..........why the obsession with carbs and why cycle them? How do you know how many it will take or not take to reach your goal?

sorry forgot-i'm 228-230 now about 6-7% bf
protein - 250-300 grams
fats 30-70g (high carbs-low carb days)

did carb cycling past 10 weeks when was trying to lean out and it worked great for me, so wouldn't it work when putting on mass?
why so many carbs? well, I was going to try something that Chris Aceto recomends in his book,as I said did one of his dieting version and it worked for me and from the personal experience i know that i always get flat weak and look like shit on low carbs no matter how much protein and fats i'm taking in.

from were i am most of the muscle was build on high carb diets aleks fedorov ate a lot of carbs,eugenij mishin was taking over 1000g of carbs when was at his highest bodyweight, future of bodybuilding-aleksey lesukov eats a lot of them...
I'm surfing bodybuilding forums and i know that here in states you have also a lot of guys who were very succesful on high carbs.justin harris does carb cycling with super high and low carb days he put on a lot of muscle these past years and never been fat,jay cutler from the begining ate super high carbs every day and turned pro at very young age (22 years i think?) and always is in good shape and so on...

 

[petedw]

Maybe Shelby could shed some light on this? I believe the guys at Troponin Nutrition like to cycle carbs??