I think my E2 was 47 on 200 mgs of sustanon per week (30 mgs ED basically); 1230 total T.
37 E2 on 140 mgs prop per week; 918 total test.
I can probably run 250 mgs per week without needing an AI; contigent upon how lean I am. But I do feel the elevated estrogen on higher dosages, and require an AI.
200 mgs of testosterone > 140 mgs; it's a bit supraphysiological at 200 for me, so I'm a little fuller, feel better, and look better. I would say use the least amount possible. You want to tailor your protocol according to your bloodwork and personal experience; we all metabolize this stuff differently; 250 mgs is almost TRT for some folks (with some unknown snp for drug metabolism; Stan Efferding uses 300 mgs per week and he sits at 1200 at his bw peak) and 80 mgs might be for folks who sit on the other end.
Emeric is the man to reach out to for super low dose ED test usage tbh
Just some thoughts
That's pretty good for the 140mg. My E2 would be closer to 50-55 on that dose without an AI. I am leaner now though so maybe it would be a bit lower. If I did 1x per week dosing it would put me at 1400-1500 the day after injection and closer to 3-400 by the next week's injection.
80mgs/week is a good TRT dose for those looking for at long term hypogonadism replacement treatment, coming from much lower levels over long period of time 80mg/week will be felt and make a difference in life quality. 140mg/week is more along the lines of TRT for someone in the muscle game, its basically a satisfactory dose for someone who cultivated receptors from higher dosages and wished to keep them saturated.
As for E , leave it alone, its self resolving. Sometimes those who have used a higher dosage AAS will have a difficult time aromatizing, that will have it own set of side effects ,this is especially true if you stay lean. Its my opinion the total dose should be calculated over a 2 week period (3x week 1 and 4x week2) get your average dispersed over that.If your are doing 20mg/per that puts you at 70mg/week. (Week 1 3x 20mg=60mg-week 2 4x20mg =80mg. 60 +80= 140mg/2 weeks and that 70mg/week).
So essentially you're talking every other day dosing then. I think that's perfectly reasonable.
I'd prefer to be on 125-150mg TRT from a muscle growth standpoint, but I do question if it's as healthy long term to have slightly supraphysiological test, estrogen, and DHT, which I would have at those levels. An AI would bring my E2 into normal range, but then my test and DHT would be even more elevated. Prostate, hair, heart health, I'm just not sure how that would be. It's somewhat speculation but I feel like 70-80mg with no AI over 30-40 years is probably safer than 125-150mg + AI over 30-40 years.
Basically go by blood work , it may take years to perfect
ive found out my best instramusclar default ims is 75 MGS, twice a week
Sub Q by my blood work, it seems it takes at least four hours to raise testosterone levels, and my testosterone is down in the 200s after about twenty hours the day after both 10 and 20 MGS sub q injects
I did some bloodwork on SubQ injections and it didn't seem to effect my test or estrogen levels much. So I just stick with IM now.
I do 12.5-15mg (depending on the mg/ml concentration of the Test) per day, injected subq with a 0.5ml pin of TE or TC. No AI, no SERM.
Its by far the best protocol I've done and I've done them all bar Nebido (TU) every few months.
Awesome. What is your total testosterone and estradiol at with that protocol? How is your muscle retention compared to higher TRT doses?
I take 15mg/ED of Cyp and since doing so I can definitely tell my libido is higher , that about all I can tell from my personal experience but labs are far far more stable. Than when I was taking 1-3 shots a week at 150mg/wk dose.
When I start a cycle I'll maintain the daily micro dose Injection which should not be a problem at all as I don't run my doses high at all. I'm curious to see how the daily Injection work with higher doses and added anabolics
Interesting so another member reporting higher libido on daily injections, and superiority compared to 3x50mg.
As I asked to the others, how is your strength and muscle compared to when you tried higher doses like the 150mg? Do you know your levels of test and estrogen on the 7x15mg protocol?
Perhaps it would be wise for me to go from 4x30 --> 7x15 --> 7x10 instead of jumping straight from 4x30 --> 7x10