How far would you go?

OuchThatHurts · Jul 16, 2007

Many of us in the past few months have been slowly watching new compounds in development and possibly production, that could produce an effect in the muscles that would take out a major factor of growth inhibition, essentially allowing muscle growth to continue to grow almost completely unabated possibly producing size that heretofore was unattainable except by only a select group of specifically genetically gifted individuals.

In other word, the stuff allows your muscle to grow like friggin' crazy, possible without training or anything, completely outta control (unless they find a method to control the growth. Perhaps a negative high-myostatin feedback loop...who knows. Anyway...

I can think of no better place to get a select set of intelligent opinions than a forum such as this one where we all train hard to be the best we can be.

So the questions on the table are these:

If a chemical is produced that would allow anyone to achieve gains within a year equalling that of Ronnie, Jay, or Ruhl (or even bigger!), how would you feel about that? How do you think it would effect the sport? Would you be interested in taking something like the above?

Which leads me to the second part as the title of this thread indicates, how far would you go to get to where you want to be? Will you ever reach a point where you are where you want to be? How much of your health would you be willing to risk or how many years of your life would you sacrifice to have the body and strength you dream of?

Seriously guys, I would really like to hear your opinions on this. Feel free to speak candidly. If you don't want to post openly, drop me a PM.

OuchThatHurts · Jul 16, 2007

I'll go first so you hear my own balls out truth.

I think a chemical like I mentioned would kill bodybuilding. I think the potential for abuse would be so high, in fact, that I actually think it could be a limiting factor in the drug's development. Which is sad because it could actually help those with MS, diabetics, muscle-wasting diseases.

Sadly I will admit. I've taken risks. I'm not proceeding forth from a holier than though perspective because I'm guilty. The question of where to draw the line in a desire vs. risks is pretty blurry. It can get extremely blurry when you're in the game.

I've done many things in my life that involved risks. "Freeing" a route on a cliff wall (done without protective gear) is something I've done on several occasions. A fall in some of those would have been likely fatal.

So in the interest of achieving my goal, I've placed my health at risk. There are differences though. Climbing isn't illegal. Neither is falling to your death. Although they would probably fine your corpse for littering.

I take few risks with my health these days though so I'm happy to say that a lot of that youthful recklessness is behind me because I have too much to lose. I did then too, but who knew?

JustWannaBeHuge · Jul 16, 2007

If a chemical is produced that would allow anyone to achieve gains within a year equalling that of Ronnie, Jay, or Ruhl (or even bigger!), how would you feel about that?

I have no desire to be that big, but, I would like to see how much muscle my frame would be able to handle.

How do you think it would effect the sport?
Honestly, I think it would ruin bodybuilding and powerlifting, as everyone would be able to achieve these types of gains and what would the point be to see the "average" person on stage now? Every gym would be packed with men/women on this. The abuse of this would be outragous as I said in another thread.

Would you be interested in taking something like the above?

I would yes. As I said, I would like to see exactly how much muscle my frame could handle and see just how strong I would be able of getting.

Which leads me to the second part as the title of this thread indicates, how far would you go to get to where you want to be?
Will you ever reach a point where you are where you want to be?

I don't think anyone would be where they would want to be, they would still want to get even stronger, I wouldn't be surprised if guys still kept using even other substances to *enhance* it even more.

How much of your health would you be willing to risk or how many years of your life would you sacrifice to have the body and strength you dream of?

If I didn't have a daughter, honestly, I don't think I'd even give it much thought, I would just go out and do it. Knowing that I have a child... I can't honestly answer this question, I would like to think that I wouldn't do anything to shorten my life as I know how much it hurt me to lose my dad but at the same time, I've taken so many risk with stupid sh*t over the years, I don't know if I would be able to say no to this. That prolly sounds very selfish.

speedbacker · Jul 16, 2007

I like where you're going with this stuff OTH. I read your posts in the myostatin thread as well.

oldfella · Jul 16, 2007

First OTH, Great thread!

I love my BBing. I love the sport itself and the weights. I would not like to see a drug that produces gains as you stated. It would make the achievement worthless! IMO. You would not have to work nearly as hard or even think about your next lb or two of muscle. For me it would take the challenge away from the human endeavour. How far would I go..........well I would stop at the risk outweighing the benefits. i take enough risks as it is and do not need to complicate things further. We do take risks, allbeit somewhat calculated. With proper health monitoring we can control the damage to a degree. So for me it would be a NO!

KillerStack · Jul 16, 2007

It would kill bodybuilding as we know it. It would lose ALL of it's present appeal - your physique being at least partly due to WORK. I would not take it. I have no moral qualms with it. Don't even have a problem with it even if it were pretty dangerous. The idea is just majorly unappealing to me.

I don't understand the science involved but some say it's quite a few years before we see anything like it though. I hope I never get to see it.

sup · Jul 16, 2007

I wouldn't take it..

I don't have any intention of competing.. my goals are modest.. 18" arms, 400 bench.. sub 10% body fat... happy wife..

SAWADEEKROB · Jul 16, 2007

This is more than simply a US problem!

I don't thing you guys understand the repercussions of what OTH is saying. I work at a very prestigious biogenetics university in Japan. In the lab of one of my friends they are studying the posibility of modyfing FOOD in such a way that when you ingest it, the chemicals released into your bloodstream will bond to your DNA and change specific characteristics.

It has now been sucessfully done on chickens to increase their core temperature during the winter months, to lower their bodyfat and increase their muscle mass.

They are still on trials and not allowed by so many agreements to even come close to humans, but while chatting he said that the field that is funding the research is cosmetics.....

Although OTH posed a legitimate question on usage in america, I think the issue is far more global and has many more implications for future generations as the world economy is more and more globalized.

M21SL · Jul 16, 2007

I think it would definitely ruin the sport of bodybuiling, and just the reputation and legitamacy of bodybuilding in general. At least in my eyes, a lot of bodybuilding is one achieving the look they have on stage, or at all times. That means hard work, busting their balls in the gym, dedicated nutrition, etc. I think that is almost the best part of this sport is just the gratification you get from your own hard work. I think with a drug like this it would give a lot of people who dont deserve it, that kind of physique. When I say they dont deserve it, i dont mean they arent good people, but they havent worked for the physique like everyone of us has. I think you would see tons of your average punks who wanna look tough or hard taking this stuff and undeservingly achieving the kind of physique we all bust our asses for, and also using thier strength in evil, useless ways. Would I be interested in taking it? Maybe in moderate amounts, but does that make me a hypocrite? haha

Malic777.com · Jul 16, 2007

its like getting a cheat code to your favorite video game...its great for 5 minutes but you soon get bored and never play again...you have to really work hard for something to really appreciate it...alex

Narus63 · Jul 16, 2007

OuchThatHurts said:
Many of us in the past few months have been slowly watching new compounds in development and possibly production, that could produce an effect in the muscles that would take out a major factor of growth inhibition, essentially allowing muscle growth to continue to grow almost completely unabated possibly producing size that heretofore was unattainable except by only a select group of specifically genetically gifted individuals.

In other word, the stuff allows your muscle to grow like friggin' crazy, possible without training or anything, completely outta control (unless they find a method to control the growth. Perhaps a negative high-myostatin feedback loop...who knows. Anyway...

I can think of no better place to get a select set of intelligent opinions than a forum such as this one where we all train hard to be the best we can be.

So the questions on the table are these:

If a chemical is produced that would allow anyone to achieve gains within a year equalling that of Ronnie, Jay, or Ruhl (or even bigger!), how would you feel about that? How do you think it would effect the sport? Would you be interested in taking something like the above?

Which leads me to the second part as the title of this thread indicates, how far would you go to get to where you want to be? Will you ever reach a point where you are where you want to be? How much of your health would you be willing to risk or how many years of your life would you sacrifice to have the body and strength you dream of?

Seriously guys, I would really like to hear your opinions on this. Feel free to speak candidly. If you don't want to post openly, drop me a PM.

Your question is typical of those looking for an easy way out. The real question should be ...how far are you willing to push yourself in the gym. How far are you willing to push past the pain barrier. How committed are you to your diet. I think you have the wrong mind set if your thinking of gene manipulation over hard work.

Chrysler · Jul 16, 2007

I personally hope it never reaches fruition, and if it does it will be so incredibly detrimental to your health that taking it would be like signing your own death sentence. I love bodybuilding, it's changed my life for the better in so many ways. I'd go so far as to say it saved my life. If a myostatin antibody takes the challenge out of getting bigger and stronger there will be an empty void in my life.

Would I take it? I don't know. But, it would piss me the hell off to see some skinny schmuck who knows absolutely nothing about bodybuilding to start working out and in a year have 20 inch arms. This is shallow, I know, but I don't give a fuck.

labboy · Jul 16, 2007

A drug like that would make having a body like the Olympians achieveable for everybody and that would mean its not special anymore.
Sports are all about working hard to bring the human body to its fullest potential......... even when stimulated by drugs.Take away the hard work and genetic aspect and any sport becomes just another freakshow for egotrippers.

People ( most of them jealous MF-ers ) often take the piss on BB as a sport because of the gear but they all know that gear alone wont make you Mr Olympia. A " sit on the couch succes garanteed freaky mass " drug like mentioned would proove these BB haters right and probably kill the sport.

I think anybody who would take an experimental drug like that without any information on short and long term side effects is insane....unless they honestly dont give a rats ass about their health.But there will always been pioneers who will do it and if they dont die of it they will become rolemodels.....and every sport needs them.

thebrick · Jul 16, 2007

A drug like that would ruin bodybuilding IMO. If a cow can look like that standing around eating grass because he has a myostatin factor, what's the glory?

I would not take a drug like that if it were available. What about aesthetics? I want to look good, but I don't want to be a mass freak. As I have aged a bit, my goals have evolved into one of having more emphasis on staying healthy and looking good, not just getting bigger at any cost.

mature muscle · Jul 16, 2007

for the guys that have dreamed of looking like jay or ron must of thier life,but do not have the genes it would be hard to say no

JustWannaBeHuge · Jul 17, 2007

Chrysler said:
I personally hope it never reaches fruition, and if it does it will be so incredibly detrimental to your health that taking it would be like signing your own death sentence. I love bodybuilding, it's changed my life for the better in so many ways. I'd go so far as to say it saved my life. If a myostatin antibody takes the challenge out of getting bigger and stronger there will be an empty void in my life.

Would I take it? I don't know. But, it would piss me the hell off to see some skinny schmuck who knows absolutely nothing about bodybuilding to start working out and in a year have 20 inch arms. This is shallow, I know, but I don't give a fuck.

Yikes, no offence but I think thats a ignorant statement with you saying you hope it never reaches fruition. It's one thing for someone not to want it involved in BB or P/L, but this can be used to save the lives of thousands, if not millions of people with disease. Have a child with MS, then tell me how you don't want this to come to fruition as you watch them live in a wheel chair their entire lives. for you to say it's someone signing a death sentence, thats not based on anything but your opinion, you have nothing saying that this will be so *horrible* for someone's health. I think playing with slin is dangerous, it could kill you if used incorrectly, and sorry but I see way to many idiots out there that have 0 business touching test, let alone slin, or DNP for that matter.

No offence to the guys on this thread, but I think a lot of guys aren't being honest with themselves or with others and I see a lot of people aren't posting either. With the amount of drugs being used by a lot of people, and I'm talking DNP, HGH, Test, SLin, MGF, T-3, T-4, sytherol (for the guys wanting them 22 inche guns)... not to mention how *excited* I saw so many people get on so many boards when the whole thing first started coming about about the myostatin gene, I just think a lot more people would be using this than are admitting to it.

That's just *my opinion*.

And btw, speaking about medical uses here and not Bodybuilding, I pray that this does come out and it works as well as these Dr's are saying it does. Unless you've seen a family member or friend waste away due to cancer or another illness, you don't know how it feels to watch that. Esp, when the person was very strong in life and near the end, they're just a small shadow of what they used to be.

Rob

flexmaster · Jul 17, 2007

thats a tough one OTH

knowing myself, i dont think i would be able to say no. for those of you who say i just want to be healthy, or im not looking to be HUGE, ect...then why do you juice? seems kinda odd to me...if you just want to be healthy, or have a nice body, i dont think you need to juice. even if you do, no one needs the dosages that most take today...look at JT, he is a huge mother fucker and the guy could get a years worth of cycles out of my left nut.

gfactor · Jul 17, 2007

It would ruin bodybuilding. Its like lacrosse..... If you could, wouldn't you have someone that was larger then the post??? The other team wouldn't be able to score would they??? Why?? Because he's genetically gifted to save goals with his over sized body. What if every lacrosse team had one of these guys?? Larger then the goal post?? They'd be no game.

thebrick · Jul 17, 2007

flexmaster said:
knowing myself, i dont think i would be able to say no. for those of you who say i just want to be healthy, or im not looking to be HUGE, ect...then why do you juice? seems kinda odd to me...if you just want to be healthy, or have a nice body, i dont think you need to juice. even if you do, no one needs the dosages that most take today...look at JT, he is a huge mother fucker and the guy could get a years worth of cycles out of my left nut.

If I were younger, I would probably go for it. But at this point, no. With test, I feel like I am simply supplementing my body with something that it no longer makes at sufficient levels. Plus the fact that anabolics have been around a long, long time with a known track record. Just my thought on that.