How many of you still 'Overhead press' and see a benefit?

[Fleezy]

The argument about not hitting front delts is that heavy presses blow up front delts anyway. Yet people say still hit rear delts... makes no sense to me. Same logic would mean: skip rear delts too, heavy rows got u covered.

i mean.... not really :/

 

[Elvia1023]

I love heavy shoulder pressing. Most of my push workouts consist of a lateral raise, shoulder/incline press, pec deck/fly and chest press etc. So I am doing some sort of incline or vertical press twice every 8 days or so. I do rotate weight and rep ranges depending how I feel. My last workout I done some standing barbell shoulder presses (behind the neck and to the front) but it varies from that to seated incline presses, smith presses, machine presses and even unilateral standing cable presses. Nothing beats a heavy incline smith press for me though.

 

[headtrainer]

Overhead presses have increased the size of my front delts and medial delts. I always start out with presses and then move to lateral raises. I do reverse flyes after training back. I train each of the 3 shoulder exercises once a week for 6 sets a piece. That’s a total of 18 sets per week for shoulders. That’s my sweet spot for gaining maximal shoulder development.

 

[hawkmoon]

I love behind the neck press, keeping it at ear level - no lower.
The feeling is incredible, instant pump and smooth articulation. I use a Smith for safety and control.

Shoulders come after chest so the join is already warm.

 

[Siggy]

Im not a huge OHP guy at least not with the barbell, it seems to hit my triceps more than my delts and when Im starting out it hurts my shoulder joints which eventually goes away. I only throw in a couple of sets of dbell and machine press for variation purposes but I cant help but think heavy OHP damages your shoulders over the long hall, its just an awkward angle to be doing heavy presses.

Then you got guys like Ohearn still doing extremely heavy OHP in his fifties and he seems to be in prime health but maybe he is the exception.

 

[Hansy]

Did you ever seen someone who smash military press with 225 on barbell for reps with small shoulders?

 

[luki7788]

Did you ever seen someone who smash military press with 225 on barbell for reps with small shoulders?

Yes a many times

 

[Fa Seeshus]

I do some form of standing press due to having to have functional strength for job stuff.

Knowing I have to do them makes me keep on top of mobility work.

 

[Big A]

Shoulders are one of if not my best body part. I will be the first to say that they are good because I have always done heavy controlled and explosive presses.

If you’re talking detail and lines sure side lat raises and chest movements will suffice, but if you want big delts I think presses are a must at some stage along the way.

I also just love heavy pressing movements though. Lol

This.

To me overhead presses for delts are like squats for legs.

 

[bigbumpkin2003]

Love overhead BB/DB presses! They’re my starting exercise when working shoulders/traps. I prefer seated over standing though. Unless I suffer some sort of shoulder injury they’ll always be a staple.

Cage

I do this as well. I am not a mass beast you all know, but I don’t over reach either. Stick to a comfortable weight I can control through the entire movement

 

[bigbumpkin2003]

^^^i'v always incorporated 1 "OHP" exercise on shoulder day

..i don't do them "behind-the-head" anymore ..& i don't go as deep ←esp heavy


^^^YES ..over-all density
+it's a compound-movement ..it benefits more then just shoulders

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Yes when you get I was ego lifting and injured myself! No longer as you stated go behind, deep , or heavy

 

[juggy38]

Pressing for Hypertrophy:

Push press: one of the better tricep overload movements. Risk/reward depends on OH stability.

BTN Klokov presses……murders your delts and most have enough mobility to pull this off.

My favorite, Muscle clean and press. Pretend you are back in junior high school trying to power clean. Monkey fuck the bar to your chest and then strict press. Come
Down, then slowly lower the weight controlled to the hang position. (Use straps). You want a balance of continuous motion trying use as little body English or explosiveness out of the bottom.

It just wrecks the whole delt. Use it last exercise. So I usually go rear delt fly, laterals of some sort, then MCNP. Stay strict for 2-3 sets. On your last set, add a little English to whatever point fails first. Keep going, take a few breaths, rep out some more with a little more English. (Don’t get retarded sloppy). It’s like a delt widowmaker.

 

[Fleezy]

Pressing for Hypertrophy:

Push press: one of the better tricep overload movements. Risk/reward depends on OH stability.

BTN Klokov presses……murders your delts and most have enough mobility to pull this off.

My favorite, Muscle clean and press. Pretend you are back in junior high school trying to power clean. Monkey fuck the bar to your chest and then strict press. Come
Down, then slowly lower the weight controlled to the hang position. (Use straps). You want a balance of continuous motion trying use as little body English or explosiveness out of the bottom.

It just wrecks the whole delt. Use it last exercise. So I usually go rear delt fly, laterals of some sort, then MCNP. Stay strict for 2-3 sets. On your last set, add a little English to whatever point fails first. Keep going, take a few breaths, rep out some more with a little more English. (Don’t get retarded sloppy). It’s like a delt widowmaker.

I remember this routine I got off of testosteronenation

1 set was

10 reps hang clean
10 reps clean and press
10 reps hang snatch
10 reps high pull

I did a few sets of that one day, and the next few days, my traps stung so badly that I thought I tore them lol

 

[pimpman]

The only thing that benefits when I overhead press is my triceps.

I use to have that problem too for very long time but since I started doing them half way down and half way up it hit my shoulders super hard. But I hardly get to do them because my gym is huge but with that come more people. So to find a smith machine open is like hitting the lotto. But when I do I do front and behind press and my shoulders blow up

 

[aHarness]

Pressing for Hypertrophy:

Push press: one of the better tricep overload movements. Risk/reward depends on OH stability.

BTN Klokov presses……murders your delts and most have enough mobility to pull this off.

My favorite, Muscle clean and press. Pretend you are back in junior high school trying to power clean. Monkey fuck the bar to your chest and then strict press. Come
Down, then slowly lower the weight controlled to the hang position. (Use straps). You want a balance of continuous motion trying use as little body English or explosiveness out of the bottom

I’m not really seeing how any of these would be good for hypertrophy honestly when put against something just like a standard fixed machine seated shoulder press.

 

[juggy38]

I’m not really seeing how any of these would be good for hypertrophy honestly when put against something just like a standard fixed machine seated shoulder press.

My garage doesn’t have a machine overhead press…..

 

[Bleed]

Smith machines are hard to come by. My gym is the same, I have to do my workout in the order of which workout stations open up. Its never the same.

I switched over to the hammer strength shoulder press with decent results but I dont feel the same engagement in the shoulder that I do with lateral raises and face pulls.

Hawkmoon suggested something similar to what you are saying so if I can get a smith machine and the bench I'll put them back in the rotation.

I use to have that problem too for very long time but since I started doing them half way down and half way up it hit my shoulders super hard. But I hardly get to do them because my gym is huge but with that come more people. So to find a smith machine open is like hitting the lotto. But when I do I do front and behind press and my shoulders blow up

 

[Josefein421]

Did you ever seen someone who smash military press with 225 on barbell for reps with small shoulders?

I haven’t seen anyone that presses 315 overhead for reps w small shoulders though.

 

[Fleezy]

I think it was Marc Hector who said his shoulders blew up after he took OH pressing out of his routine

 

[d4ve]

To be honest, even with a shit L shoulder, I kept some sort of pressing (as long as it wasn’t painful) in for a long time. Getting to that 3.5 or 4 plates on a smith machine pretty regularly. But upon taking that out and just increase my volume pretty heavily on diff laterals, my shoulder growth has been much better. I’m in the camp of “all pressing hits your front delts pretty hard” camp, but if you enjoy them (like I did) do em. But once pain and recovery got too much, volume SEEMS to be a great driver for shoulder growth. I know JM always believed shoulders needed to get hit with a ton of sets (rear and lateral delts).

Same…kind of disappointing because OHP had become kind of a pet lift. DB OHP is so fun, and I’d gotten up to using the 150s at peak strength.

But it became kind of like deadlifting- took a lot more than it gave. My delts and upper pecs are bigger than ever without doing any overhead / high incline work. And if I have 5 training days per week to allocate training, an extra back day is waaaaay more productive than a shoulder day or extra push day.