I'm not experienced enough to critique a cycle, so...

[SacToSD]

I was wondering if some others might chime in. I have a friend who's been lifting seriously for about 6 years, is 28, 6'1'' 210 lbs, and is in good physical health. He's done several cycles before of test + tren, test, test + eq, etc. He wants to do a lean mass cycle, shed fat gain muscle, and get stronger. He came to me and asked about critiquing his cycle, and I told him to do the research, himself, and get back to me. He did, and he layed it all out for me (he thinks I'm on my way to becoming a bodybuilding guru with all the time I spend researching it, which won't happen, but anyways). The thing is that I don't feel comfortable doing this for him because I know that there are more experienced people than me that know more about these things than I do. This is also not quite a beginner's forum question since this is pointed towards the more experienced members of this board, even though they might take the time to reply on that section of professional muscle. It's also not like me to post cycle questions... I think I've only done it once or twice. All these things taken into consideration, check it out:

14 Week Cycle
Weeks 1-14 Test Enanthate 600 mgs per week
Weeks 1-10 Tren Hex 400 mgs per week
Weeks 1-4 Anadrol 50 mgs/day
Weeks 10-14 Anadrol 50 mgs/day
Weeks 2-14 HCG 500 IU/week (divided into 2 doses)
Weeks 16-20 Clomid PCT
Exemestane used at 12.5 mg/day throughout
Synthetek Liver Support when on Anadrol + milk thistle

So, that's about it. I told him to watch his blood pressure, get a blood panel and liver panel, and keep tabs on himself. So, critique away!

 

[natabolic]

thats.. a lot for a first cycle..
test, anadrol, and tren? all for a first cycle? and a total dosage of well over 1.3 g/ week?

 

[SacToSD]

thats.. a lot for a first cycle..
test, anadrol, and tren? all for a first cycle? and a total dosage of well over 1.3 g/ week?

it's the 4th cycle bro

 

[natabolic]

oh man. sorry

it's the 4th cycle bro

sorry dude, i missed that.
i think the cycle looks good then. im glad hes not going too over the top with dosages.

 

[PharmGrown]

Thats quite a harsh cycle imo and not exactly a "lean" bulking cycle. If it were me... I would either replace the tren with EQ and run the EQ to 14 weeks and the test to 16 weeks or else replace the anadrol with something like anavar or tbol. This is just my opinion.

 

[SacToSD]

Thats quite a harsh cycle imo and not exactly a "lean" bulking cycle. If it were me... I would either replace the tren with EQ and run the EQ to 14 weeks and the test to 16 weeks or else replace the anadrol with something like anavar or tbol. This is just my opinion.

harsh as in harsh on the liver and blood pressure?

 

[sadie]

harsh like tren has alot more sides then eq.. the drol will through the water on you something fierce too.. i agree i would probably do 16 weeks of test and eq kick start with either dbol or var skip the tren and drol all together

 

[617ricky]

i agree i would probably do 16 weeks of test and eq kick start with either dbol or var skip the tren and drol all together

You would, wouldn't you?

 

[sadie]

if i was a guy i would yes

 

[natabolic]

depending on macro/micro/calorie intake

i was always able to stay lean on tren. lean gains and strength always came for me, from tren.

 

[Thewhite9t]

I've never seen drol used for cutting.

A damn good cutting cycle would be something like

wk 1-16 test @600mg/wk
wk 1-6 tren ace @300mg/wk
Wk 1-16 EQ @ 500mg/wk

The tren is optional, sortof a cutting kickstart until the longer estered gear can do its magic. Also you mentioned he wants to gain strength. He could kickstart it with an oral instead of tren if he wants, but drol wouldn't be a good choice.

Could also add some fatburners in there depending on how far he is willing to go with it.

 

[KillerStack]

Also you mentioned he wants to gain strength. He could kickstart it with an oral instead of tren if he wants, but drol wouldn't be a good choice.

Why not? Drol is great for cutting IMO. And for strength, obviously.

Drol has been used for decades in cutting cycles with great success. You've never seen this?

 

[sadie]

Why not? Drol is great for cutting IMO. And for strength, obviously.

Drol has been used for decades in cutting cycles with great success. You've never seen this?

im thinking most dont use it or hear about it because of the water issues with it.. i have known so many men on the stuff and they blow up like water beds with knee caps.. hard to gauge a cut if you have that much water over the top

 

[MR. BMJ]

Drol can be used for cutting.

And I love Tren too much not to suggest keeping it in. 'Drol can be ran, but i'd opt to keep the tren in for most situations.

BMJ

 

[SacToSD]

Okay, so I've talked with this guy and he wants to drop the anadrol. He doesn't want to deal with the sides, or the possibility of liver problems. He wants to keep the tren definitely, though. But, he can run tren enanthate or tren hex (says he doesn't like pinning eod), and is again asking me about it. What do you think? Hex, or enanthate?

 

[MR. BMJ]

Okay, so I've talked with this guy and he wants to drop the anadrol. He doesn't want to deal with the sides, or the possibility of liver problems. He wants to keep the tren definitely, though. But, he can run tren enanthate or tren hex (says he doesn't like pinning eod), and is again asking me about it. What do you think? Hex, or enanthate?

Whatever he can get cheapest between those two choices.

Too bad he doesn't like Ace

BMJ