IP Susta-ton and urgent care

[W8killa]

First off, I love IP gear so I am not blaming him for contaminated oil. 2nd off, i have done homebrews and never had a problem.

So friday night I inject for the first time 1 amp of the new sust-a-ton into my shoulder. First mistake was I went over 1mL in the shoulder but I never thought it would be a problem. It was painful and gave me a lump which is typical of any sust. I remembered my first 3cc sust injection I couldnt walk for 4 days. The next day I could barley lift my arm over my head without pain which I thought was still pretty normal due to the depot structure. More pain swelling, heat in the area, for a few days and finally yesterday I go to the clinic and it turns out I got cellulitus. After 8 years of homebrews, t200, and everything else i finally get an infection. I think I may have injected some glass particles and too much oil. anyways I just wanted to let you know be careful and take your time.

 

[Malic777.com]

its hard for an amp to be "contamintated"...the amps top is heat sealed at several hundred degrees + when its in a contained environment its very hard for it to develop bacteria...

you said you may have injected glass shards?? if so this is due to improper technique...you should make only a small dent in the neck of the amp and not a hole...the top should pop off clean...

your infection is probably from something else...its good you got it treated in time...alex

 

[allbeef]

BRO!!

I believe it's the prop that irritates and shooting in to smaller muscles will make you sorer than if you hit your quad.

You can get sterile grapeseed oil pretty cheap at C&J Lab Subblies and I hear this tones it down. Deca also may tone it down.

The other thin is 6-800mg of Ibuprofen twice a day will blunt the inflamation. I don't really believe gains are hindered by ibruprofen and it is very helpful.

Like you, I am an IP guy and his amps have left me a little sorer then the 10ml vials, but I can hear IP calling me a puss, LOL. 2 amps of that sustaton is a nice 740mg inject which I do like.

PS: If you do get an abcess, Hardwood has amoxicllin available for a 10 -14 day course.



AB

 

[Hans]

I believe it's the prop that irritates and shooting in to smaller muscles will make you sorer than if you hit your quad.

You can get sterile grapeseed oil pretty cheap at C&J Lab Subblies and I hear this tones it down. Deca also may tone it down.

The other thin is 6-800mg of Ibuprofen twice a day will blunt the inflamation. I don't really believe gains are hindered by ibruprofen and it is very helpful.

Like you, I am an IP guy and his amps have left me a little sorer then the 10ml vials, but I can hear IP calling me a puss, LOL. 2 amps of that sustaton is a nice 740mg inject which I do like.

PS: If you do get an abcess, Hardwood has amoxicllin available for a 10 -14 day course.



AB

You know I always thought this about deca toning down the pain, but my last batch I made with grapeseed and it hurt preety bad for some reason. Now my latest and biggest batch I made with canola oil believe it or not and it is painless. I don't know, there are so many theories on why certain roids are painful, but, especially if you brew, you find out that it seems there really is no rhyme or reason to it.

 

[Putin]

You know I always thought this about deca toning down the pain, but my last batch I made with grapeseed and it hurt preety bad for some reason. Now my latest and biggest batch I made with canola oil believe it or not and it is painless. I don't know, there are so many theories on why certain roids are painful, but, especially if you brew, you find out that it seems there really is no rhyme or reason to it.

How do you make your gear that it's always painful?? None of mine hurts and it's also at high concentrations.

Unless it's bold prop, which should be banned forever.

 

[IPmeds]

I did an amp in the quad and it had a sting, im sensative to prop no matter how low the dosage.

sus-a-tons cant be kept in stock however people LOVE them.

i cant imagine doing a shoulder inject by myself, the shaking,twitching and abnormal plunger squeeze will def phuck up an inject

1. inject slow and steady
2. use a heating pad for 10 minutes with massage after the shot

 

[GoneForever]

First off, I love IP gear so I am not blaming him for contaminated oil. 2nd off, i have done homebrews and never had a problem.

So friday night I inject for the first time 1 amp of the new sust-a-ton into my shoulder. First mistake was I went over 1mL in the shoulder but I never thought it would be a problem. It was painful and gave me a lump which is typical of any sust. I remembered my first 3cc sust injection I couldnt walk for 4 days. The next day I could barley lift my arm over my head without pain which I thought was still pretty normal due to the depot structure. More pain swelling, heat in the area, for a few days and finally yesterday I go to the clinic and it turns out I got cellulitus. After 8 years of homebrews, t200, and everything else i finally get an infection. I think I may have injected some glass particles and too much oil. anyways I just wanted to let you know be careful and take your time.

When you went to the ER, im presuming you didnt say you took a shot of sust. What did you say?

 

[swervedriver]

I LOVE the sust amps... I have taken them in my tri's and shoulder with little pain... Sore yeah, but usually goes away in a day or so... But for quality nothing beats them...

 

[W8killa]

fourthgen,

yeah i told them it was test enanthate from HRT. they didnt really buy it but they didnt really seem to care either. They asked why are you on HRT at 27? I told them I was always tired, didnt feel well, etc. and it turned out I was on the low side for test so it was prescribed over the internet. Maybe I should have said b-12?

 

[GoneForever]

fourthgen,

yeah i told them it was test enanthate from HRT. they didnt really buy it but they didnt really seem to care either. They asked why are you on HRT at 27? I told them I was always tired, didnt feel well, etc. and it turned out I was on the low side for test so it was prescribed over the internet. Maybe I should have said b-12?

My buddy got an abcess and told them when he was in class he was wearing shorts and lifted his leg up into a screw under the desk and a few days later it got red/swollen.

 

[KillerStack]

More pain swelling, heat in the area, for a few days and finally yesterday I go to the clinic and it turns out I got cellulitus.

I have read that cellulitis is often due to high BA levels in the gear.

 

[abadseal]

What the hell I might as well share too.

Last monday night I took my second shot of test prop/masteron prop/winstrol suspension all homebrew and all mixed in the same syringe. First off 3 ml was too much but I've done it many times before so I figured what the hell. About an hour later my ass cheek was swelled up nice and big which never happens so I knew something was wrong. Next morning sure enough I had fever, chills, cold sweats you name it. Glute was pretty large but not at it's worst and figured I could ride it out. Wednesday comes around and the pain increases. It's got to be the stanozolol because the prop and masteron I've used during a previous cycle with tremendous results and zero problems. The pain now is pretty wicked and I'm almost unable to sit in a car and drive. I'm waiting to see if maybe the worst is over and it will be smoother sailing from here on out. WRONG! Thursday I wake up and it's become too hard to even put on socks let alone get in a car and drive. I know I have cellulitis and eventually an abscess will develop if nothings done. I'd order antibiotics but figure the ER will give me a nice dose of IV antibiotics and will get the ball rolling twice as fast so I head to the ER.

At this point I must confess. I have been through this exact situation about 7 months ago only I was using different gear. Same exact injection site too and again I shot way too much volume for a single shot (I think that could be a contributing factor). So sadly, I knew what to expect this time at the hospital. Now some of you are thinking WOW, what a dumb asshole. This guy has no business dealing with steroids if he's had 2 infections if a year and my response is I'm highly educated on usage and especially sterile injection techniques which is why I also believe that this was a combo of too many ml's and perhaps a very sensitive site (lymphnodes) and not sterility issues. Moving along.

So I roll into the ER at about midnight. I tell them exactly what I did (not sure why some guys lie or are scared to tell the doc? They see drug overdoses and self-inflicted problems MUCH worse than a swollen ass from steroids) and get the usual lecture only this time it's more of a "Be safe and quit being a cheap ass by making your stuff and just buy pharm grade" kinda talk. Now I won't give my exact age because I'm sure even a few guys on this site will give the fatherly "you're too young" guilt trip but I'll say I'm in my very early 20's. After 2 IV bags of antibiotics and about 4 hours later they sent me packing with a few prescriptions for more oral antibiotics. Here I am a week and a half later back at 100%.

The moral of this post is DON'T FUCK AROUND IF YOU HAVE AN INFECTION. Just do a few google searches for pics of abscesses that people let go a little too far, that is if they survived. Doesn't matter if you have insurance or not or if your family and friends will find out you use steroids, just go.

Sorry for the hi-jack.

 

[dr. livingstone]

First off, I love IP gear so I am not blaming him for contaminated oil. 2nd off, i have done homebrews and never had a problem.

So friday night I inject for the first time 1 amp of the new sust-a-ton into my shoulder. First mistake was I went over 1mL in the shoulder but I never thought it would be a problem. It was painful and gave me a lump which is typical of any sust. I remembered my first 3cc sust injection I couldnt walk for 4 days. The next day I could barley lift my arm over my head without pain which I thought was still pretty normal due to the depot structure. More pain swelling, heat in the area, for a few days and finally yesterday I go to the clinic and it turns out I got cellulitus. After 8 years of homebrews, t200, and everything else i finally get an infection. I think I may have injected some glass particles and too much oil. anyways I just wanted to let you know be careful and take your time.

I and some friends have had the same problem with the Sus-A-Ton. I think it contains to much BA.

 

[GoneForever]

But you can lose your insurance if they report it, and have a hell of a time getting cheaper coverage from someone new.

What the hell I might as well share too.

Last monday night I took my second shot of test prop/masteron prop/winstrol suspension all homebrew and all mixed in the same syringe. First off 3 ml was too much but I've done it many times before so I figured what the hell. About an hour later my ass cheek was swelled up nice and big which never happens so I knew something was wrong. Next morning sure enough I had fever, chills, cold sweats you name it. Glute was pretty large but not at it's worst and figured I could ride it out. Wednesday comes around and the pain increases. It's got to be the stanozolol because the prop and masteron I've used during a previous cycle with tremendous results and zero problems. The pain now is pretty wicked and I'm almost unable to sit in a car and drive. I'm waiting to see if maybe the worst is over and it will be smoother sailing from here on out. WRONG! Thursday I wake up and it's become too hard to even put on socks let alone get in a car and drive. I know I have cellulitis and eventually an abscess will develop if nothings done. I'd order antibiotics but figure the ER will give me a nice dose of IV antibiotics and will get the ball rolling twice as fast so I head to the ER.

At this point I must confess. I have been through this exact situation about 7 months ago only I was using different gear. Same exact injection site too and again I shot way too much volume for a single shot (I think that could be a contributing factor). So sadly, I knew what to expect this time at the hospital. Now some of you are thinking WOW, what a dumb asshole. This guy has no business dealing with steroids if he's had 2 infections if a year and my response is I'm highly educated on usage and especially sterile injection techniques which is why I also believe that this was a combo of too many ml's and perhaps a very sensitive site (lymphnodes) and not sterility issues. Moving along.

So I roll into the ER at about midnight. I tell them exactly what I did (not sure why some guys lie or are scared to tell the doc? They see drug overdoses and self-inflicted problems MUCH worse than a swollen ass from steroids) and get the usual lecture only this time it's more of a "Be safe and quit being a cheap ass by making your stuff and just buy pharm grade" kinda talk. Now I won't give my exact age because I'm sure even a few guys on this site will give the fatherly "you're too young" guilt trip but I'll say I'm in my very early 20's. After 2 IV bags of antibiotics and about 4 hours later they sent me packing with a few prescriptions for more oral antibiotics. Here I am a week and a half later back at 100%.

The moral of this post is DON'T FUCK AROUND IF YOU HAVE AN INFECTION. Just do a few google searches for pics of abscesses that people let go a little too far, that is if they survived. Doesn't matter if you have insurance or not or if your family and friends will find out you use steroids, just go.

Sorry for the hi-jack.

 

[Jerkyboy]

I dont know about now, but I know for a fact all IP oils from the past had rediculous amounts of BA in them and were very dirty.

Had a friend get jugs direct from the man himself, so save me the "maybe your rep messed up the products" lecture.


Sorry if some u guys think I am bashing, but its a FACT.

Personally I will NEVER use IP products ever again for several reasons

Good luck to those who do

 

[allbeef]

JB, I didn't think you could find an IP remailer

who would sell to you beings that most of us know what went on between IP and You. Oh I am sure someone would, But you have such a negative bias, what a waste that would be.

IP's amps are not Homebrew.


They are pharmacuetical grade.:

1. It may be the drug or the high dosage of the drug.
2. It may be the BA.

But the inflamatory response may not be infectious although you almost have to drain it to know.


Hardwood should have a 10 -14 day course of amoxicillin domestically that he can get you fairly quick.

or you can try www.quickmeds.com


Sometimes you can get recurrences in past abcess areas. You can even have ( if you shoot bilat quads ) one side abcess and seed the other side so you have this bilateral cellulitis going on.

Many docs like amoxicillin with potasium as it tends to keep the antibiotic level higher and longer in the area. It's called Amox/ClAV unfornunately I cant find it very easily without a script.

You shoot for years and you are going to have scarred areas that may be prone to inflamamtion.


If it gets so bad that it is coming to a head; Get a sharp scalpal, You can get a hobby kit at like Harbor freight tools. This will have a variety of scapal shapes. You want something very pointed and sharp. The point should broaden out to about a 3/8 in blade width. You can tale a stick match and sterilize the scapel knife. You take a warm bath to bring it even more to a head and to scrub clean your body well. Pat dry with clean towel. Have a bottle of 91% alcohol there and some guaze or cotton to spread it with. Buy yourself some butterfly bandage and some very large bandages ( they are 2 inches x 5 inches ) Paper towel. In the bathroom take the bathroom rug out and sit there holding an icebag to the abcess. Identify the center and thinest part of the absess. Maybe have a newspaper on the floor if it is a leg absess. Wipe the area well with 91% isopropal alcohol and apply icebag. After 5 minutes of continuos ice bag, be bold, take the scalpel and jab it into the center of the abcess. Try to do it with one cutting manuever leaving you with a 1/4 - 3/8 that will burst and drian for a while. Massge the abcess and it here are tracks try to milk the fluid out of the leg. Use paper towels to manage the discharge. At somepoint it me drain to just a small disharge or it may flow pretty heavy. Thats where the butterfy bandages will attempt to act like sutures and hold one side of the incision against the other. You may need three or for and crisscross as it is an art and not a science.

But if it was an abcess worth draining you should have lost have to 3/4 cup of bloody on to the floor. Sterila abcesses don't have chunks of WBCs they are primarilly filled with blood and a substance that is fat a lip. After you have doe a good job of sealing the leak with the butterfly bandages, cover it all with the very large bandage.

It is temporary relief and you may have to drain a couple times before the antibiotics do their job.

My father is a physician, I just don't feel comfortable making up bullshit stories about dirty B12 injections.

If you have not gotten relief from amoxiciin in 5 days, go to urgent care and get a better choice.


Or don't play doctor at all, although I assume you stick all kinds of things into your body anyway.

use antiseptic wipes
never reuse a needle/syring
too small of an needl will cause a lot of jerking around which in it self can create the problem.



AB

 

[DesertRocker]

I was taking IP's sus-a-tons at 2 amps a week. I injected into my glutes for the first two weeks but then after that time when one glute had a full week to heal up i still had like a golf ball on both of them, so I went in my quad which now has a golf ball size swelling on it. The swelling all goes away but ive never had swelling stay for more than a week and its starting to get in the way of me taking my shots. I had to skip a shot into my other quad because I wanted to be able to squat which i wouldnt be able to do if i had done my 2nd amp into my other quad. It seems to be working good but this swelling and pain is pretty bad. Ive tried heat pads, massage, and 600mg of Ibuprofen a day. Any other ideas???

 

[Jerkyboy]

ALLBEEF: who would sell to you beings that most of us know what went on between IP and You.

What, that I proved he has lied repeatedly over the years about his stuff?

Several cases in point: many years ago he used to tell everyone that his bulk jugs of sustanon was really Karachi sust amps that he manually opened by hand one by one to fill those 600ml jugs up?

Then later this "karachi sustanon" was lab tested by several diff. people (or mods) and proven to only contain test prop + test undecanoate? or another test that showed a diff batch containing test prop + test enanthate?

What about the lab tests I was involved with personally that again proved his products were not what he said they were? likewise with the tablets?

Or that when I called him on the lab tests his $10,000 guarantee conveniently disappeared?

Or more recently (maybe 6-12 mos ago now) that he and his remailers were selling items labeled as authentic QV (Quality Vet from Mexico) ?? then once it was found out it wasnt real QV brand they all apologized saying they had no idea how it could have happened...

ALLBEEF: IP's amps are not Homebrew.

They are pharmacuetical grade.:

1. It may be the drug or the high dosage of the drug.
2. It may be the BA.

What about #2 on your list there, the BA? He claims in another thread started by MassiveG that all his current products have no BA in them but you say they do. Hmmm, we all know you can not have high dosed products without the BA

human grade?? who are u kidding!?

Hell, I could go on and on and on, but I wont. This board deserves better so I wont flame. But when u try to insinuate something bad happend due to some fault of my own, or say something possibly insulting to me or my character, I take offense and feel I need to defend myself.

My props to IP, he is a long time source and an EXCELLENT Businessman- making $$$ is the bottom line here. But dont go running your mouth about me when u dont know what u are talking about. U better look at your boy in the mirror first.

 

[bigbadasian]

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This one is getting close guys...dont need to start a war about IP products. everyone has their opinion. lets keep it civil

 

[dan525]

I think there may be a problem with the 1.07 sus-a-ton. I have been using the 6/06 batch for 3 months with no issues, maybe a little sore. I used my first of the new batch last saturday and it has taken until today that I can sit right. I shot 1 amp in my glute and about 2 days later it felt like I got hit with a nailgun. I am glad I found this post, because I am debating whether or not to use the other amps. My ass swelled up and was hard, but didn't really turn red. I had a similar situation before with an UGL. I thought it may be the BA, but now that I think about it the amp didn't snap right and the tip crushed, so I guess it could have been a glass particle. I did not take antibiotics ,although I had them on hand, and the soreness has finally went away. When I say this stuff hurt, it was so bad I couldn't bend over to put my shoes on. Sitting was very uncomfortable and training legs was out of the question.
I am not bashing IP because this is the first bad experience I have had. There deca are painless and the 15 mg var are the best orals I have ever taken..If anyone else had a problem or didn't with the 1/07 batch please let me know so I can decide if I should switch brands..