long cycle ?

[Big DV]

hey bros,ithought about doin a 22 week cycle what do yall think about this? w1-10 1gram of prop w1-6 d-bols 30mg w11-22 800 of prop w-11-18 winny tabs at 50 a day

 

[Dad]

Sounds like a great way to completely shut down the HPT axis, have lots of sides to deal with, and a have a huge struggle to keep any gains. Not to mention the increased risk of injury as the muscle strength will grow faster than the connective tissue's.

Your proposed dosages are very high which will, of course, only magnify all these problems. Yuo're talking about 5 months on.

 

[palehorse51]

If your goin long......

If you wanna go long, run EQ with some prop in there.

 

[Zuke]

If you are going to do a long cycle with dosages that high make sure you get blood work done every 6 weeks. That way if you are healthy you can continue and if things start to get bad you can make apropiate changes. 8 weeks straight of Winny Tabs is too long IMO. How many cycles have you done???

 

[Dad]

Blood work is certainly a good idea with any cycles, the problem is that it doesn't show any indications of HPT axis shutdown.

It will show serum total and free test levels, and LFT's can monitor for liver damage enzymes due to the orals in particular. We'd expect serum test levels to be exceedingly high, and of course, this is the source of the HPT axis shutdown since this is exogenous adminstration.

 

[anabolicfan]

hey bros,ithought about doin a 22 week cycle what do yall think about this? w1-10 1gram of prop w1-6 d-bols 30mg w11-22 800 of prop w-11-18 winny tabs at 50 a day

THIS IS A GOOD LONGER CYCLE ALWAYS WORKS WELL FOR ME 15+

500MG TEST CYP OR EHTANATE
500MG EQ

ORALS 4WKS ON 4 OFF DBALL ANAVAR WINNE DROL WHAT EVER YOU GOT NO NEED TO GO WITH HIGH DOSES ON ORALS.

 

[palehorse51]

Agree

THIS IS A GOOD LONGER CYCLE ALWAYS WORKS WELL FOR ME 15+

500MG TEST CYP OR EHTANATE
500MG EQ

ORALS 4WKS ON 4 OFF DBALL ANAVAR WINNE DROL WHAT EVER YOU GOT NO NEED TO GO WITH HIGH DOSES ON ORALS.

Nice!

 

[Dad]

THIS IS A GOOD LONGER CYCLE ALWAYS WORKS WELL FOR ME 15+

500MG TEST CYP OR EHTANATE
500MG EQ

ORALS 4WKS ON 4 OFF DBALL ANAVAR WINNE DROL WHAT EVER YOU GOT NO NEED TO GO WITH HIGH DOSES ON ORALS.

Not nice, nuts. Both cycles are excessive

 

[Moen]

Most of these guys are just downright addicted to being on dad so you're wasting your time :st:r-wars

 

[anabolicfan]

Not nice, nuts. Both cycles are excessive

whats nuts about this cycle?

 

[bellicose]

i was on for 3 years and completely recovered in 8 weeks, got blood work done and everything was ok.

Big Dv,
Might want to get some hcg to do throughout to make pct easier, and make sure you are prepared for a harder pct because of being on for so long.

 

[Dad]

Largely the length.

The dosages are a bit high, but perhaps acceptable for a very experienced user, and for a short time period like under 8 weeks. Certainly people will disaggree with this, but I've yet to see dramatic results - how many guys anywhere are 250+ with body fat under, say, 15%?

After decades of doing this, making many of these same mistakes, and watching others do things, I sincerely believe that these long cycles create more problems than anything, and that better results - in terms of gains, retention of gains, limiting sides - can be achieved with shorter cycles over time and more attention to diet and training.

 

[bellicose]

i'm 270lbs @14%


haven't been in the game very long but definintely prefer cycles over 12 weeks. The longer you have muscle on your frame the easier it is to maintain

 

[Big DV]

u damn right,bellicose .i agree totally an 8 week cycle aint bout shit at least 12 weeks.

 

[Big A]

THIS IS A GOOD LONGER CYCLE ALWAYS WORKS WELL FOR ME 15+

500MG TEST CYP OR EHTANATE
500MG EQ

ORALS 4WKS ON 4 OFF DBALL ANAVAR WINNE DROL WHAT EVER YOU GOT NO NEED TO GO WITH HIGH DOSES ON ORALS.

I personally like this, BUT, HCG had to be used every 4 weeks, as well as anti-e's, proscar, fish oils, liver aids, etc. As well as blood tests every 6 weeks. And of course no smoking, drinking or rec drugs and no unhealthy food.

But if you don't do EVERYTHING I said above, then you are playing a dangerous game.

 

[anabolicfan]

I personally like this, BUT, HCG had to be used every 4 weeks, as well as anti-e's, proscar, fish oils, liver aids, etc. As well as blood tests every 6 weeks. And of course no smoking, drinking or rec drugs and no unhealthy food.

But if you don't do EVERYTHING I said above, then you are playing a dangerous game.

not for newbies i left out the above advice asumeing 1 would always take precautions i guess i shoudn't asume..



ALSO I'M 262lbs 12%bf

 

[anabolicfan]

i'm 270lbs @14%


haven't been in the game very long but definintely prefer cycles over 12 weeks. The longer you have muscle on your frame the easier it is to maintain

i agree .........also think less is better..

 

[palehorse51]

Thanks for advice BIG A!

I personally like this, BUT, HCG had to be used every 4 weeks, as well as anti-e's, proscar, fish oils, liver aids, etc. As well as blood tests every 6 weeks. And of course no smoking, drinking or rec drugs and no unhealthy food.

But if you don't do EVERYTHING I said above, then you are playing a dangerous game.

Big A, where do you think the most danger lies? with the test and EQ? the orals? or the total combo and length? thans for any advice!!

 

[Big A]

Big A, where do you think the most danger lies? with the test and EQ? the orals? or the total combo and length? thans for any advice!!

The main danger is the effects on your cardiovascular system due to the length.

The orals can be problematic if alcohol and other rec drugs are involved at the same time.

The HPTA can be recovered after the 'cycle' if HCG is used throughout the entire cycle.

The prostate/hair loss can be troublesome if proscar is not used.

 

[Liphted]

haven't been in the game very long but definintely prefer cycles over 12 weeks. The longer you have muscle on your frame the easier it is to maintain

If you haven't been in the game very long, I assume you mean you haven't done many cycles since you
stated that you were on for 3 years straight. If thats the case then one of your earliest cycles was 3 years long? Scary to say the least.
Congratulations on recovering so quickly from such a long cycle, but what about your next 3 year go, do you think you'll be so lucky?

I constantly hear people trying to justify their ridiculously long cycles with the
argument of "your body will become acclimated to the weight/muscle and you'll maintain better".
Is that really the case when you've gone so far beyond what your body naturally wants to be at by using gear? Its just going
to take longer for your body to return to its maximum potential state. And I'm not
looking for opinions unless you have a PhD appended to your name or a
valid study to point at.

I think the crowd that disregards short cycles have never really given them
a chance. My guess is that someone tries a "short cycle" of 6-8 weeks, runs
a long-ester such as Test C. or E., does little more than bloat during that
time because of other factors not being nailed down, comes off and loses
all the water they were holding and says WTF, short cycles suck!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not completely bashing long cycles (12+ weeks),
they will work, but at what cost? My guess is that if someone truly gave
both methods a try and did them properly you would see little difference in
the end result except that the short cycle crowd would be left with less
complications and sides.

I don't think I'll persuade anyone in this thread to change anything and I'm
not trying to; really I could give a shit less what you do to your body, meaning
what you inject into it and for how long. Just don't slack on that
bloodwork.