Sane Hypothetical Cycles

[notsobig32]

Everyone, there has been a lot of talk lately about what is a sane cycle. Now none of us actually use this stuff but lets state what we would use if we were going to use it. Lets break it down by saying our hypothetical weight, height and bf. And if you are feeling especially like typing lets break it down into cutting and bulking.

So me, i am 5'7" 225ish and probably 15% bodyfat
Bulking
weeks 1-12 750 mg sust (MWF)(this is a bit higher than i normally run)
weeks 1-12 50mg tren ace (EOD)

Cutting
Test Prop 100mg ED
Winstrol 50mg ED
anavar 20mg day


This is about as complex as i would get with things. I just thought we could post up realistic 'hypothetical cycles' so that the people asking about taking multiple grams could see what the majority of the people out there think are sane cycles.

 

[oldfella]

Everyone, there has been a lot of talk lately about what is a sane cycle. Now none of us actually use this stuff but lets state what we would use if we were going to use it. Lets break it down by saying our hypothetical weight, height and bf. And if you are feeling especially like typing lets break it down into cutting and bulking.

So me, i am 5'7" 225ish and probably 15% bodyfat
Bulking
weeks 1-12 750 mg sust (MWF)(this is a bit higher than i normally run)
weeks 1-12 50mg tren ace (EOD)

Cutting
Test Prop 100mg ED
Winstrol 50mg ED
anavar 20mg day


This is about as complex as i would get with things. I just thought we could post up realistic 'hypothetical cycles' so that the people asking about taking multiple grams could see what the majority of the people out there think are sane cycles.

When putting together a cycle always keep in mnd your weekly totals of mg's. In the first one your are just nudgeing 1 gm per week. I might say that is a bit high but you have not listed previous cycle experience. If this was a first cycle I would recommend toning it down just s bit. Say 500 on the test and possibly leave the tren ace in there.

The cutting cycle as you like to call it well I might be inclined to take the test prop to 150 eod. you will find plenty of goodness in that. the rest looks ok

 

[mikeyt869]

ive seen something like this before( i dont use roids)
wk 1-16 600 mg wk test
wk 1-15 400 mg week bold
wk 1-16 50 mg daily proviron
wk 1-6 40 mg tbol or var
these are my stats (this would prolly work well if i used) as a lean mass cycle
5'11" 227 lbs bf 12-14%

 

[oldfella]

Ok if I were looking at a precontest stack, bearing in mind the level of experience here and age, number of years training and number of cycles a contest stack might look like this............

test prop 150-200mg eod
Deca @ 400mg p/wk
Stanozolol injects 100mg eod
No orals.

So what do we have here? total mg/wk is 1600 or 1.6 gms per week. Yes it sounds high. But we are talking international level competitor, well over 105kg's in Body weight ( probably close to 245 @ <10%) and many years experience with comps and cycles. Yes this is a hypothetical cycle but one that would not be out of the question.

 

[mikeyt869]

OF closer to the show would you add tren of some sort or masteron for the hardening effects? just curious??

 

[oldfella]

OF closer to the show would you add tren of some sort or masteron for the hardening effects? just curious??

Nah I would leave it just as it is unless I fewlt something was not working well or was off a bit. The it would be an adjustment in diet and stack or both. Between the prop and the stan this will give you that freaky look as long as you diet your ass off and dry out correctly before stage time

 

[notsobig32]

OF, great comments i have a few cycles(more than a few) under my belt. Thats me in the avatar so i have decent size. I tend to do contest prep in two phases a clean bulk phase and then switch it up at 6 weeks out and switch to the cutting. i tried a show or two with some exotic compounds and it ended up just adding to the confusion. I left ancillaries out because thats a whole different ball of wax. i try to stay close to a gram. I have gona higher and been bigger but it really wasnt a flattering look.

 

[oldfella]

OF, great comments i have a few cycles(more than a few) under my belt. Thats me in the avatar so i have decent size. I tend to do contest prep in two phases a clean bulk phase and then switch it up at 6 weeks out and switch to the cutting. i tried a show or two with some exotic compounds and it ended up just adding to the confusion. I left ancillaries out because thats a whole different ball of wax. i try to stay close to a gram. I have gona higher and been bigger but it really wasnt a flattering look.

HAHAHAHA you guys just have to learn how to diet better for a show. You use the same compounds for a show as you do to add mass. All you do is change your food quantity and quality. it is as simple as that. No confusion, no rocket science diets.

 

[notsobig32]

OF,

man, i diet like a champ...i just don't have that 'secret' the pro's are using. LOL, LMAO....the secret. I guess lets call it genetics. This was the competition diet and supplmentation fdor the last show i did. Please remember i was 230 and around 10% back when i was doing this. THis was the last show i got ready for and ripped my pec during prep.(week12 is show week)
Week 1-12 EQ 300mg
Week 1-6 1000mg test cyp
week 1-6 anadrol (50mg)
Week 6-12 test prop (100mg ED)
Week 6-12 winstrol (50mg ED)
week 6-12 tren (ED)
GH (jintropin) 2 iu ED
By doing this and 30 minutes cardio firsth thing in the morning every morning, my appetitie was unbelieve able. By the time i injured myself 3 weeks out i was 237 and my bodyfat was LOW. I was basically coasting into the show at that point and making adjustments and getting ready to drop water.

This is the most gear i have EVER taken and honestly it was only because my trainer told me to. He is a national level competitoir and looking back i think he must have given me his stack and dropped doseages or something. I felt like shit and overall felt completely unhealthy.

I do believe you can cut on the same compounds and if i can get past my pec tear i may compete again. I am looking into hiring one of the trainers off here right now and seeing what i can do with things.

 

[King-kong]

nsb, that is one hypothetical cycle. I am not nitpicking but wondering why your hypothetical cycle would start with a long estered test and then the prop rather than the other way. Just curious as to the reasoning since I always thought the EQ and the cyp or enan took so long to kick in. Thanks.

 

[notsobig32]

nsb, that is one hypothetical cycle. I am not nitpicking but wondering why your hypothetical cycle would start with a long estered test and then the prop rather than the other way. Just curious as to the reasoning since I always thought the EQ and the cyp or enan took so long to kick in. Thanks.

Do you want thae real reason or what i have hypothesized=-) The real reason is i paid someone a good bit of money to train me and this is what he said to do. I actually put on size better with longer acting esters and by stopping them at week 5 thye actually carry over into the prop period for a little bit longer. The guy that was training me also did not like ED and EOD sticks.....they don't bother me but i did what i was told like a good trainee.

 

[massnup]

When putting together a cycle always keep in mnd your weekly totals of mg's. In the first one your are just nudgeing 1 gm per week. I might say that is a bit high but you have not listed previous cycle experience. If this was a first cycle I would recommend toning it down just s bit. Say 500 on the test and possibly leave the tren ace in there.

The cutting cycle as you like to call it well I might be inclined to take the test prop to 150 eod. you will find plenty of goodness in that. the rest looks ok

I believe that is 2450mg's per week OF, if I'm reading that right? He says 750mg sust MWF.

 

[jfunk316]

I'm 28 and all natural so if I was to do a hypo cycle for myself it would be something like this:

Test cyp: 250 mg/week (1-12 weeks)
HCG: 400 ius e3d if needed

PCT starting 2 weeks after last injection
HCG 400 ius e3d for 3 weeks (Might start this early to get my nuts back if needed)
CLomid 100/50/50 3 weeks
Nolva 40/40/20/20 4 weeks

Like I said I'm natural and have never done a cycle or even PH's so this would be to see how I reacted to the Test and I would see how that PCT felt so I could assess the situation if I cycled again in the future. I think most people should do a cycle small in dosage and test only to see how their body reacts to the juice.

Reason for that is I know people that run up to 2g's per week and experience no serious sides and others that tried to run only 25 mg d-bol/day cycles and had bad side effects (Yes, I also think it's goofy as hell to run an oral only cycle).

These are soley my opinions and based on my experiences. I'm not trying to sway anyone to think the same as myself.

 

[notsobig32]

I believe that is 2450mg's per week OF, if I'm reading that right? He says 750mg sust MWF.

NO NO NO I take 750mg sust per week. 250 on mon, 250 wed, 250 fri. I have always gotten great results from it and even if i go to 1 gram i don't notice much difference. This is just my two cents. Thank you for pointing that out though, after i reread it, i can see how it would read that way. I cannott imagine taking that much gear i tend to be a bit of a sissy.