The preworkout thread

[marssel]

someone clued me in on injectable choline... havent touched caffiene or any stim since.. i am too wired.. but in a good way.

That’s good caffeine is toxic it’s fucking natural pesticide and for some readystuoid humans eat it up. It absolutely does not enhance performance and if you need caffeine for every workout you picked the wrong game imo if you love eating iron you don’t need to wire up to do so

 

[goback2013]

That’s good caffeine is toxic it’s fucking natural pesticide and for some readystuoid humans eat it up. It absolutely does not enhance performance and if you need caffeine for every workout you picked the wrong game imo if you love eating iron you don’t need to wire up to do so

right.. stan efferdine somewhat said the same.. no need for caffiene pre-workout, as the body will produce enough adrenaline to meet the demand.
i'm the same way.. i can warm up with a 1mile run, and feel energized the whole workout.. in my younger days, i worked out for women and the random comments.
now, i work out for peace of mind, stress relief, general wellness, and not-gonna-lie.. the women/comments too.

 

[Elvia1023]

Love this thread.

I’ve used EVOLUTION NUTRITION ENGN SHRED for years and love it for clean energy, no crash. Absolutely recommend it and I still take it. But I’m looking for something that will give a better pump.

I would recommend what I have been using recently as it has around the same amount of caffeine in but will give much better pumps. It's CBUM's Thavage preworkout.

 

[Elvia1023]

I will update my overall list with reviews soon because it's very extensive and will take time and it's late here now. I have forgotten many products but I still have many to add to it. I do love my high stims but as I get older I have moved away from them. I still have them occasionally but in the future I am going to mainly buy what I call allrounder products. Preworkout's that do everything but which aren't overloaded with stimulants because it's not needed and over time can often go against you. I want to use products full of clinical doses of useful ingredients that improve training in regards to better pumps, endurance and focus.

The product I have been using is a perfect example of a great allrounder product. If I gave a stim junkie Cbum's Thavage Pre they would probably be disappointed. Although I am a stim junkie to a degree and I loved it so maybe not. It doesn't contain many stimulants and fairly low caffeine but enough and I feel great from it. I never have a bad training session. I don't need preworkouts to motivate me because I love to train but this only adds to my training sessions and gets me fired up.

I wasn't sure just how high to score it but it's up there. I guess it depends what you are after. Again if a stim junkie rated it they may have it much lower. For me right now weighing everything up and comparing it to all the products I have used and the simple fact I feel great when I use it I have to put it right up there. It's between a 9-9.5/10. It performs in all areas and if you like products like Pre Jym and Nutrex's Outlift you should love this.

 

[Shockrock3]

I still have some of the older DMAA/DMHA Pre's, Vein Nutrition Bloodshot, etc. I'm going to have to sell. Just extreme laser focus, etc.

 

[goback2013]

That’s good caffeine is toxic it’s fucking natural pesticide and for some readystuoid humans eat it up. It absolutely does not enhance performance and if you need caffeine for every workout you picked the wrong game imo if you love eating iron you don’t need to wire up to do so

not sure if it is the inj gluthianone , inj choline, or what... but my recovery is off the chats.
i've been running 4-5miles a day. lifting in the morning. also rolling/sparring at night.
i dont feel tired or run down.. joints dont hurt. i just feel good overall.

 

[goback2013]

not sure if it is the inj gluthianone , inj choline, or what... but my recovery is off the chats.
i've been running 4-5miles a day. lifting in the morning. also rolling/sparring at night.
i dont feel tired or run down.. joints dont hurt. i just feel good overall.

...

bloods taken yesterday, and total test came back at 340...

yet feel strong as a bull, feel good..

maybe i'm one of those guys who has high androgen uptake(if there is such a thing)..
which is why i respond to such small TRT doses.



had a guy at the gym tell me this morning... when you lookup the word athlete, your picture is right there.

comments like that are common, so i didnt receive it as gay or a pickup line.

now when i was in atlanta the pick up lines and gay energy were quite obvious.. no thanks. i digress..

 

[Virtuous]

I will update my overall list with reviews soon because it's very extensive and will take time and it's late here now. I have forgotten many products but I still have many to add to it. I do love my high stims but as I get older I have moved away from them. I still have them occasionally but in the future I am going to mainly buy what I call allrounder products. Preworkout's that do everything but which aren't overloaded with stimulants because it's not needed and over time can often go against you. I want to use products full of clinical doses of useful ingredients that improve training in regards to better pumps, endurance and focus.

The product I have been using is a perfect example of a great allrounder product. If I gave a stim junkie Cbum's Thavage Pre they would probably be disappointed. Although I am a stim junkie to a degree and I loved it so maybe not. It doesn't contain many stimulants and fairly low caffeine but enough and I feel great from it. I never have a bad training session. I don't need preworkouts to motivate me because I love to train but this only adds to my training sessions and gets me fired up.

I wasn't sure just how high to score it but it's up there. I guess it depends what you are after. Again if a stim junkie rated it they may have it much lower. For me right now weighing everything up and comparing it to all the products I have used and the simple fact I feel great when I use it I have to put it right up there. It's between a 9-9.5/10. It performs in all areas and if you like products like Pre Jym and Nutrex's Outlift you should love this.

I just bought this + the non-stump pump product from him after reading this.

 

[marssel]

not sure if it is the inj gluthianone , inj choline, or what... but my recovery is off the chats.
i've been running 4-5miles a day. lifting in the morning. also rolling/sparring at night.
i dont feel tired or run down.. joints dont hurt. i just feel good overall.

Kynoselen was amazing different combo but I really miss it I’ve been inj aminos b4 cardio AM but I may try your daily combo with a dash of B-12. I take oral glutathione and seem to have loved it but everyone on here says it’s not effective so either I absorb it unusually well or something else was working but laugh if you want I really like the way Ghost Gliw makes me look and feel. My liver #s came down with it a little so there’s that

 

[fisther69]

So, for the last week it’s been a death wish instant coffee pack and half an ephedrine.

It 300mg of caffeine but it comes on slowly and completely empties out my guts..not violently though like diarrhea..like, enough logs to make a cabin..I feel like I am going to live longer after these intense poop sessions

 

[Elvia1023]

I just bought this + the non-stump pump product from him after reading this.

Keep everyone posted. I should add I always use the full serving of 2 scoops so I think I got 20 servings from the tub. I pretty much have 1 session left so I will have to buy something new. I will buy that product again sometime in the future. Although have you seen the new version were raw and ghost have come together to release Thavage Legend Preworkout? It looks like it's very hard to get and isn't available online now but it looks even better. I love the ingredient profile and it's similar but with a few really good changes...

 

[goback2013]

Kynoselen was amazing different combo but I really miss it I’ve been inj aminos b4 cardio AM but I may try your daily combo with a dash of B-12. I take oral glutathione and seem to have loved it but everyone on here says it’s not effective so either I absorb it unusually well or something else was working but laugh if you want I really like the way Ghost Gliw makes me look and feel. My liver #s came down with it a little so there’s that

I'm currently off all stims.
The only injectable I'm on right now
are

B complex
Carnitine - 500mg/ml
CDP/choline biterate - 200mg:200mg/ml
Glutathione - 300mg/ml

All aminos are homebrew.
B complex from an online source

I'm going to make another attempt at
brewing inj Tyrosine.
First attempt was at 300mg/ml
No bueno

 

[race_camsey]

10mg cialis, 1 rice krispy, water through out the day of course, and a gatorade for intra. Will usually finish the gatorade and then refill with water and finish that as well before completing a workout. pre workouts are a waste imo. I used them for years but finally said to hell with them lol.

 

[goback2013]

10mg cialis, 1 rice krispy, water through out the day of course, and a gatorade for intra. Will usually finish the gatorade and then refill with water and finish that as well before completing a workout. pre workouts are a waste imo. I used them for years but finally said to hell with them lol.

is that UGL tada or pharm ?
i notice some of the chinese RAWs for PDE5 inhibitors seem to be lacking in quality of late.
RAW bags i've used since 2007 have always hit the spot. recent pickups not so much.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Keep everyone posted. I should add I always use the full serving of 2 scoops so I think I got 20 servings from the tub. I pretty much have 1 session left so I will have to buy something new. I will buy that product again sometime in the future. Although have you seen the new version were raw and ghost have come together to release Thavage Legend Preworkout? It looks like it's very hard to get and isn't available online now but it looks even better. I love the ingredient profile and it's similar but with a few really good changes...

Interesting comparison.

 

[race_camsey]

is that UGL tada or pharm ?
i notice some of the chinese RAWs for PDE5 inhibitors seem to be lacking in quality of late.
RAW bags i've used since 2007 have always hit the spot. recent pickups not so much.

Its ugl. What i have currently definitely works but i wouldnt be shocked if it wasnt actaully 10mg in a cap. I feel like i've had tabs from a different source that hit way harder.

 

[Elvia1023]

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Interesting comparison.

Yes both look like great products. I noticed Collision Course the other week and it has a fantastic ingredient profile and another perfect example of an "allrounder" preworkout I have posted about recently.

 

[kastro]

Just purchased 5150 again and it is a really potent if you like the stim products.Been alternating with Mike's Mitradopa.

 

[Elvia1023]

Just purchased 5150 again and it is a really potent if you like the stim products.Been alternating with Mike's Mitradopa.

I went through a few tubs of 5150. It felt really good to me and is just a solid product. It always felt much smoother than the label would suggest and I went back to it a few times. Many would look at it and say there isn't enough citrulline or x or y but it does everything you need it to do. It's also fairly cheap as well and at 30 servings per container works out very good value for money.

If anyone is after a high stimulant blend loaded in ingredients I also recommend Gorillalpha Ibiza Juice. That is a fantastic high stimulant preworkout if you can get your hands on it.

The next product I will be trying is Dorian's Yates Blood & Guts preworkout.

 

[Elvia1023]

If anyone wants a crazy stim product check out Golden Pharma CARAT. It contains DMAA, Yohimbine HCL, Alpha Yohimbine, DMHA, DMBA, Hordenine HCL, Eria Jarensis extract etc. Enjoy the adventure to the gym