WHAT HAPPENED???

[emeric delczeg]

Luke

I can help Luke, have him contact me.

 

[Phidias]

I find that thyroid excuse kinda hard to believe... to whom would a pharm company would sell T3 tabs dosed at 2500 mcg and T4 at 10 000 mcg, ie 100 times normal dosage?

Even a UG lab wouldn't produce such tabs... which right in his mind guy (or even the most hardcore fucked up juice abuser ever born) would use such thyroid dosages... seriously?

NO, sorry but it rather sounds like Milos is trying to hide another severe case of diuretic abuse.

 

[wrought]

I find that thyroid excuse kinda hard to believe... to whom would a pharm company would sell T3 tabs dosed at 2500 mcg and T4 at 10 000 mcg, ie 100 times normal dosage?

That's a good question.... are there any compounding pharmacies that produce thyroid meds for elephants?

I saw the pics and stuff yesterday, its shocking, but given that he was already pretty dry and grainy what would be the motivation for excessive diuretic use.... I'm not 100% on the thyroid explanation but a mixup of dosages wrt the thryoid and diuretics would explain that change. Luke's always seemed like a decent guy on the boards, hope he didn't permanently damage himself.

 

[emeric delczeg]

That's a good question.... are there any compounding pharmacies that produce thyroid meds for elephants?

I saw the pics and stuff yesterday, its shocking, but given that he was already pretty dry and grainy what would be the motivation for excessive diuretic use.... I'm not 100% on the thyroid explanation but a mixup of dosages wrt the thryoid and diuretics would explain that change. Luke's always seemed like a decent guy on the boards, hope he didn't permanently damage himself.

That is the result of a over dozed thyroid with medication, when is no need for. I know few bbs that did the same mistakes.

 

[Skip]

I can help Luke, have him contact me.

So can I and I will do it for free:

Get away from Milos.

Skip

 

[speedbacker]

From Luke himself:

Firstly thankyou so much Milos for explaining this! Guys for those who do not buy it or think its a BS story than i don't really care! No one is more gutted or more upset than me! 3 weeks out of this show i was in the shape of my life and very confident of not nly being at my all time best but actually qualifying for the Olympia! BUT!! I knew about 4-5 weeks out that something was not right! I got some Thyroid from a sorce i will not disclose! (no one would know them anyway) Yes it was dumb and i am only human! I had some bad exprience sometime back with thyroid and (2004 Aussie GP) and it ate me alive as i was taking stupid amounts. Since than i use very, very little of it. I hate the stuff but sometime when we want something so bad we turn a blind eye and do DUMB thngs!
While i was in Thailand i was using a small does of pharmacetical grade t4 (150mcg/day). I had this other home made stuff and i thought why not just add a little. This was about 6 weeks out. I was all ready way ahead and for the life of my i have no idea when i took it but thats the devil on your shoulder telling you that can be harder and harder..... Me thinking that i was taking 25mcg /day was so far from the truth!! The thing is that for the first 2 weeks i just got so shredded and my energy was ok!!! and i was eating 1,000g carbs /day as i was getting harder and harder. Abiut 4 weeks out of the show i was getting very, very tired!!! by the time i got to Cali to see Milos i was more than ready to get one stage!!! Milos said and i qoute, "You are as dry as dorian"!!! We were both confident of top 3! I was receiving emails daily from people all just amazed at my condition. The thing is when i would pose for Milos it was like i was breathing through a needle! I coudld'nt catch my breath and could not stop shaking! I thought it was maybe the clen, so i stopped it completely but i was getting worst! The more food Milos gave me the more i was going catabolic!

I cannot even explain to you how bad i felt! i was looking amazing and was just trying to ignore the symptoms but when i was falling asleep between sets and just so out of it, we knew that something i was doing was not aggreeing and possibly doing damage!

Milos never ever tells BS so what he posted is 1000% true! By the time we found out (milos took me to a specialist who deals with this) the massive, massive doses it was too late! you cannot just stop thyroid cold turkey!! it has to be graudule. The horse had bolted by than as they say and with one week to go i just could'nt hold my weight for the life of me. Even mcdonalds 2-3 times/day!!
I had to come off slowly and i still am with also special medication! When my thyroid was tested 10 days out it was through the roof and resting pulse rate was almost 100! but to the specialist amazement my thyroid was still in good condition when they test for certian damage and they is no permantly damage!! what they call THYROID STORM or THYROID SHOCK! im lucky! VERY LUCKY! I had more blood work done 5 days out and it was a little better reading but still at a ridiculos level to really be able to compete. But i did'nt care i wanted so bad to get on stage! I had so many people supporting me and man i feel so terrible about letting them down! Beleive me guys that if i knew...... i can 100% honeslty say that this is the safest i have ever been for a show! i was so cautious with everything it did except one major thing and really i am lucky to be here!

To all my mates, family, fans and Milos, i am SO VERY SORRY!! i feel very embarrassed and i feel i have let you all down!
I know the main thing is that my health will be ok and it a the near future my thyroid will be back to normal but it does not take the pain away that i worked soooooooo damn hard for this show and all the time i took off and money spend was and feels like a waste! Again i feel let down all you people!

I did prove though that i can come back and show that i can still be a force and can still get on that olympia stage!

There will be no backyard vitamin crap for the Australia Grand Prix and i will be back!

Thankyou all so very much! the support i got and still get really does bring a lump to my throat!

 

[KillerStack]

So can I and I will do it for free:

Get away from Milos.

Skip

Do you buy the story about the thryroid drugs?

Who would produce such things (tabs with those dosages) and to what purpose?

 

[Moen]

A guy who can not write 'permanent damage' correctly in his mother language should probably not be self medicating to begin with lol

 

[NoelFuller]

I call bullshit as that high of a thyroid dose would be noticeable immediately.

 

[emeric delczeg]

So can I and I will do it for free:

Get away from Milos.

Skip

The mistake was made by Luke not by Milos.

 

[Mr OZ]

The mistake was made by Luke not by Milos.

if he had that much thyroid hormone in him why did he look so great until 1 - 2 days out?

wouldnt it have ruined his physique weeks out? it just doesnt seem right that it took until hours before comp time to make him go to shit

 

[Mr OZ]

some weeks out pics here

**broken link removed**

 

[Big A]

I find that thyroid excuse kinda hard to believe... to whom would a pharm company would sell T3 tabs dosed at 2500 mcg and T4 at 10 000 mcg, ie 100 times normal dosage?

Even a UG lab wouldn't produce such tabs... which right in his mind guy (or even the most hardcore fucked up juice abuser ever born) would use such thyroid dosages... seriously?

NO, sorry but it rather sounds like Milos is trying to hide another severe case of diuretic abuse.

Agreed with every point. Also, anyone that understands thyroid drug use at all, would know that there's no point taking T3 and T4 combined at all. BTW, if they were compounded drugs, how could Milos tell the dosage, if there was no label, etc? Did he have them tested?

 

[particleacc]

I don't understand

What is the big deal about whether he was messed up by diuretics or messed up by thyroid meds? I don't get it. Do we look down on diuretic use, but not thyroid drugs? Why are some many people "calling BS" on the description of what was said to have happened and saying diuretics were the problem? Is he an OK guy if he got a screwed up dosage of thyroid drugs, but a lying, cheating, druggie bastard if he used diuretics? Can some explain this to me?

 

[Big A]

What is the big deal about whether he was messed up by diuretics or messed up by thyroid meds? I don't get it. Do we look down on diuretic use, but not thyroid drugs? Why are some many people "calling BS" on the description of what was said to have happened and saying diuretics were the problem? Is he an OK guy if he got a screwed up dosage of thyroid drugs, but a lying, cheating, druggie bastard if he used diuretics? Can some explain this to me?

It's got nothing to do with Luke's physique. He made a mistake, so be it. It has to do with Milos appearing to be bsing people.

 

[JAX250]

luke always looks phenomenol in his precontest pictures outside or in the gym.. he looks grainy and full as fuck but never looks like that on stage.. looks and seems like he always gets sick and washed out..i can guarentee this guy will never look as impressive on stage as he does by himself in the pictures he posts on the boards.. with that being said im actually a fan of his and hope he proves me wrong

 

[JAX250]

just read the rest of the thread.. its amazing how people in this industry under estimate us (the fans and supporters) in regards to our intelligence.. please someone tell me why the fuck would a pharmacy produce a 2.5mg t3 tablet? I mean prove me if I'm wrong but who the hell needs a dose that high? I'm sure they will tell us it was an underground lab or something but still why would they even produce such a high t3 amount? and also who the hell would want to take t4 and t3 at the same time? wouldn't milos or luke (not sure whose decision that is) know that that would not be the most wise thing to do!?
anyway luke if you're reading this I would love to see you work with someone new I think it can only benefit you.. and I've never seen a picture of you in the offseason over 5% bodyfat so I'm Assuming that you have an extremely fast so why even waste your time supplementing T3? Hope that your thryoid gets back under control and no major complications come about from this if this is what truly happened

 

[BigCanuck]

Looks to me like Milos is trying to save face....a screw up like this can cost you a lot of clients down the road...

 

[Dr.S]

Very Simply

5000 mcg of T3 = Dead


this story is complete BS.....

 

[hellraiser27]

What is the big deal about whether he was messed up by diuretics or messed up by thyroid meds? I don't get it. Do we look down on diuretic use, but not thyroid drugs? Why are some many people "calling BS" on the description of what was said to have happened and saying diuretics were the problem? Is he an OK guy if he got a screwed up dosage of thyroid drugs, but a lying, cheating, druggie bastard if he used diuretics? Can some explain this to me?

I agree!
And why is everyone so covinced that Milos made him do something he shouldn't have.