been told to forget AAS!!

[alan1973]

Ok, so I mentioned elsewhere that i have found that I am very prone to gyno, mainly because I have had mild gyno since i was 13.
I am also prone to hairloss.
Now folks are saying that I should just Give up AAS.
WHY?
once this cycle is over and i take some time off, I plan on using some AAS that are "titty-friendly".
as far as hairloss, I am taking 1-1.25 of finasteride daily and it works GREAT!
I know that eventually my MPB will take over since I am genetically predisposed to it but till then, I am hanging on to what I have as hard as i can.
I am not exactly sure of the amounts I should take, however, i am gonna keep the test under 300mg weekly.
I am looking at some of the following:
Oral turinabol (gotta be at 20mg ED before I get a good response to it)
masteron (oral or injectable) amount?
winstrol (gotta keep it under 30mg/ed or I suffer though)
anavar (have only tried up to 20 mg before)
Primo (tabs or depot and kinda pricey!)
EQ (so slow acting!)
and i am not sure, but i am very interested in taking DBol. (amount?)
dosages for me do not have to be that high, especially for anavar, I respond so well to it.
Oh, i am taking dostinex to help with the prolactin issues that i think I am getting. only have taken it twice so far though and have noticed nothing (IBE).

if anyone else out there is as bad off as i am and still taking AAS, chime in, and for everyone else, feel free to post appropriate dosages.
as far as goals:
not looking to compete or even really get cut, that seems to come naturally the bigger i get. I just want to get stronger, be able to do long cycles and not lose too much when off. i would also need to know if the usual PCT would still be recommended.
and one last thing....it HCG cheaper than Clomid?
my next cycle will be my 3rd official cycle(I don't count the first time)
stats can be seen here
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showpost.php?p=214290&postcount=2

 

[km2000]

Ok, so I mentioned elsewhere that i have found that I am very prone to gyno, mainly because I have had mild gyno since i was 13.
I am also prone to hairloss.
Now folks are saying that I should just Give up AAS.
WHY?
once this cycle is over and i take some time off, I plan on using some AAS that are "titty-friendly".
as far as hairloss, I am taking 1-1.25 of finasteride daily and it works GREAT!
I know that eventually my MPB will take over since I am genetically predisposed to it but till then, I am hanging on to what I have as hard as i can.
I am not exactly sure of the amounts I should take, however, i am gonna keep the test under 300mg weekly.
I am looking at some of the following:
Oral turinabol (gotta be at 20mg ED before I get a good response to it)
masteron (oral or injectable) amount?
winstrol (gotta keep it under 30mg/ed or I suffer though)
anavar (have only tried up to 20 mg before)
Primo (tabs or depot and kinda pricey!)
EQ (so slow acting!)
and i am not sure, but i am very interested in taking DBol. (amount?)
dosages for me do not have to be that high, especially for anavar, I respond so well to it.
Oh, i am taking dostinex to help with the prolactin issues that i think I am getting. only have taken it twice so far though and have noticed nothing (IBE).

if anyone else out there is as bad off as i am and still taking AAS, chime in, and for everyone else, feel free to post appropriate dosages.
as far as goals:
not looking to compete or even really get cut, that seems to come naturally the bigger i get. I just want to get stronger, be able to do long cycles and not lose too much when off. i would also need to know if the usual PCT would still be recommended.
and one last thing....it HCG cheaper than Clomid?
my next cycle will be my 3rd official cycle(I don't count the first time)
stats can be seen here
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showpost.php?p=214290&postcount=2

I would think the masteron would give you probs with the MPB, when I took it I noticed a deeping of the voice,(scared the shit out of me) winny may be the same

I would try
primo depot at like 300mg/week
var at 20mg ed( this should really help with the strength)
test 250mg/week

you didnt mention growth, but i would if you can afford it like 2-4 iu day this would give some good results and minimize the side I would think...

I would say no to the dbol

depending on your blood work run some hcg every 6-8 weeks like 4-5,000iu spread out in 500iu shots ed

do the normal pct stuff when off and you should be good man! I would do some blood work through out the cycle to make sure your in check... like every 2 mo if you can afford it, theres a lot of online testing places that would cost you like 100.00 bucks for what you need to get tested.. good luck

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I also somewhere that letrozole can reduce breast tissue... even soft tissue. If taken regularly enough and at a reasonable dosage (.5mcg - 1mg). It eliminates almost all estrogen and gyno and fatty deposits (man boobs) can be caused by estro. I've considered trying it just to get this last little bit of fat underneath my pecs... It's the only reason I can ever see using letrozole.

Can't help you with the baldness... I have a pelt.

 

[1badboy]

drop Masterone and Winny

Masterone and Winny (at higher doses) make me shed hair, and I do not have any propencity for MPB at 44. Drop those. Oral Turnibol is fine for me, but I have not done dbol for long time.

 

[alan1973]

I would do some blood work through out the cycle to make sure your in check... like every 2 mo if you can afford it, theres a lot of online testing places that would cost you like 100.00 bucks for what you need to get tested.. good luck

I am in Japan, those services are unavailable to me here.
I just go to the local hospital and ask for a check. but they rarely go into much detail on the tests.

 

[GoneForever]

I know it may be expensive, but you may want to look into surgery. You can have them remove the glands with any remaining gyno and you'll never get it again. Sometimes if you go to a phycologist and complain that its ruining your life and your deperessed,etc... you insurance will cover part of it, but this only happens sometimes.

 

[alan1973]

I also somewhere that letrozole can reduce breast tissue... even soft tissue. If taken regularly enough and at a reasonable dosage (.5mcg - 1mg). It eliminates almost all estrogen and gyno and fatty deposits (man boobs) can be caused by estro. I've considered trying it just to get this last little bit of fat underneath my pecs... It's the only reason I can ever see using letrozole.

Can't help you with the baldness... I have a pelt.

yeah! I heard the same thing.. I will definately think of using that in the future, but should I limit it's use to only during a cycle?

if that is really you in the avatar, then being bald would be a good look for you, everyone thinks Mr. Clean is cool!!

I am currently taking a-dex and nolva...but now I am gonna need to order more nolva for my PCT

 

[alan1973]

I know it may be expensive, but you may want to look into surgery. You can have them remove the glands with any remaining gyno and you'll never get it again. Sometimes if you go to a phycologist and complain that its ruining your life and your deperessed,etc... you insurance will cover part of it, but this only happens sometimes.

thanks, but cosmetic surgery is not an option for me. it costs 2 times more here in japan than in the US
i heard about raloxifene to help, but I have no idea where to get it from. I hope IP China can hook me up if I ask.

 

[LATS]

winny and masteron will give your mpb a problem.. stay away from them.. you could take something for the mpb (like propecia) but, would have to stay away from the nandrolone as they dont mix well.. gyno is well treated with nolva.. so most of the issues can be addressed easily withthe addition of propecia and nolva..

 

[bgmke7]

I know it may be expensive, but you may want to look into surgery. You can have them remove the glands with any remaining gyno and you'll never get it again. Sometimes if you go to a phycologist and complain that its ruining your life and your deperessed,etc... you insurance will cover part of it, but this only happens sometimes.

removing the gland would cause a dip in you chest and would not be visually beneficial.getting the surgery only removes most of the gland but some has to be left behind......hence,you will always be able to get gyno back if your not careful....

 

[bgmke7]

alan1973

sorry to tell you this but most of the drugs that you are going to try and stay away from cause of gyno problems will be DHT derivitives and will cause you to go bald even faster.seriously,if you want to continue taking steroids i would give up on trying to keep your hair.that way you can stop taking the propecia which seems to me like trying to piss in the wind when you are just supplementing more DHT into the mix.all the estrogen sides can be taken care of with novladex or arimidex if needed.raloxifene is similar to novladex but i never took it as it fairly new.

 

[RSR34]

Anyone using Dutasteride instead of Finasteride (Propecia). It's gaining major popularity on Hair loss Forums.

At 34, i have had to stop all strong androgens. I started shedding a year ago. If it goes, it goes, ,but I may try to fight it a while.

The AAS I use include:

Test up to 400mg per week
EQ up to 500mg
Primobolan up to 400mg
Anavar up to 60mg per day
Turinabol up to 50mg per day

I am limited now, but I mix up the above coumponds keeping total weekly intake at around 800mg or so and I feel good. I train harder and eat/supplement better and I do as well as with higher dose androgenic cycles.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

yeah! I heard the same thing.. I will definately think of using that in the future, but should I limit it's use to only during a cycle?

if that is really you in the avatar, then being bald would be a good look for you, everyone thinks Mr. Clean is cool!!

I'm definitely going to try it off cycle and keep going as heavy as possible at the gym. I don't mind the bold look as I keep it pretty tight now but my girlfriend seems to like my thick black hair. Thank you mom!!! (my father is balding)

 

[bgmke7]

I also somewhere that letrozole can reduce breast tissue... even soft tissue. If taken regularly enough and at a reasonable dosage (.5mcg - 1mg). It eliminates almost all estrogen and gyno and fatty deposits (man boobs) can be caused by estro. I've considered trying it just to get this last little bit of fat underneath my pecs... It's the only reason I can ever see using letrozole.

Can't help you with the baldness... I have a pelt.

i dont believe that letrozole has the effect of removing gyno(as nolvadex has).letrozole and arimidex both block the aromatization process thereby not allowing estrogen to form from increased testosterone levels.if you have a study stating the fact that letrozole has this effect on gyno reversal i would great appreciate seeing it.thanks.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

i dont believe that letrozole has the effect of removing gyno(as nolvadex has).letrozole and arimidex both block the aromatization process thereby not allowing estrogen to form from increased testosterone levels.if you have a study stating the fact that letrozole has this effect on gyno reversal i would great appreciate seeing it.thanks.

Titre du document / Document title
Aromatase overexpression transgenic mice model: cell type specific expression and use of letrozole to abrogate mammary hyperplasia without affecting normal physiology
Auteur(s) / Author(s)
MANDAVA Usha (1) ; KIRMA Nameer (1) ; RAJESHWAR RAO TEKMAL (1) ;
Affiliation(s) du ou des auteurs / Author(s) Affiliation(s)
(1) Department of Gynecology and Obstetrics, Emory University, 4217 Woodruff Memorial Building, 1639 Pierce Drive, Atlanta, GA 30322-4710, ETATS-UNIS
(a1) Prince Henry's Institute of Medical Research, P.O. Box 5152, Clayton, Vic. 3168, AUSTRALIE

Résumé / Abstract
Our recent studies have shown that overexpression of aromatase results in increased tissue estrogenic activity and induction of hyperplastic and dysplastic lesions in female mammary glands and gynecomastia and testicular cancer in male aromatase transgenic mice. Both aromatase mRNA and protein are overexpressed in transgenic mammary glands and its expression is not limited to epithelial cells. However, it is more in epithelial than in stromal cells. Our results also indicate aromatase overexpression-induced changes in mammary glands can be abrogated with very low concentrations of the aromatase inhibitor, letrozole. Low concentration of letrozole had no effect on normal physiology as indicated by no significant change in the circulating levels of estradiol and follicle stimulating hormone as well as no change in estrogen responsive genes such as the progesterone receptor and lactoferrin in the uterine tissue. These observations indicate that the expression of aromatase in both epithelial and stromal cells can influence the complex interactions of biochemical pathways leading to mammary carcinogenesis and that the aromatase inhibitor, letrozole can be used as chemopreventive agents without affecting normal physiology.

From now on, do your own homework.

 

[bgmke7]

From now on, do your own homework.

i hope that this was your way of joking....................

 

[OuchThatHurts]

i hope that this was your way of joking....................

Sure. Hope you found the info useful.

 

[bgmke7]

Sure. Hope you found the info useful.

well,of the many studies that i have read that is just one that vaguely states to abrogate aromatase over-expressed induced changes in mammary glands.now,does it mean changes that have just happened/are happening or does that mean long standing enlarged glands also? i personally have used letrozole for a long time along with arimidex and, as they both have great abilities to control estrogen sides.............i have not been witness to this miraculous reversal of gyno.i have seen and felt it happen with nolvadex and proviron combo but not letrozole.this would be the reasoning behind my humble question to post the study.so i ask you to please,go attain an advanced form of gyno and use letrozole(after you have attained the gyno)and then report back to everyone as people like me would love to hear your results................


as i read this and other studies further,i believe they are talking about aromatase over-expression and not estrogen.there is a difference.the study i read states that they have shown that breast hyperplasia resulting from over-expression of aromatase(not estrogen) letrozole was effective in reducing these changes.this does not have anything to do with estrogen/progesterone induced gyno..............

 

[OuchThatHurts]

well,of the many studies that i have read that is just one that vaguely states to abrogate aromatase over-expressed induced changes in mammary glands.now,does it mean changes that have just happened/are happening or does that mean long standing enlarged glands also? i personally have used letrozole for a long time along with arimidex and, as they both have great abilities to control estrogen sides.............i have not been witness to this miraculous reversal of gyno.i have seen and felt it happen with nolvadex and proviron combo but not letrozole.this would be the reasoning behind my humble question to post the study.so i ask you to please,go attain an advanced form of gyno and use letrozole(after you have attained the gyno)and then report back to everyone as people like me would love to hear your results................


as i read this and other studies further,i believe they are talking about aromatase over-expression and not estrogen.there is a difference.the study i read states that they have shown that breast hyperplasia resulting from over-expression of aromatase(not estrogen) letrozole was effective in reducing these changes.this does not have anything to do with estrogen/progesterone induced gyno..............

So basically, not useful... LOL

 

[Ashop]

I also somewhere that letrozole can reduce breast tissue... even soft tissue. If taken regularly enough and at a reasonable dosage (.5mcg - 1mg). It eliminates almost all estrogen and gyno and fatty deposits (man boobs) can be caused by estro. I've considered trying it just to get this last little bit of fat underneath my pecs... It's the only reason I can ever see using letrozole.

Can't help you with the baldness... I have a pelt.

many are swearing by letrozoles great effects on controlling/reducing gyno