Generic or HG GH

[jay_steel]

the people i know that sale seros but be on some type of gov't help then because the prices they are going for are no where as high as what some are saying. Still to rich for my blood though. Ill stick to mexi's.

 

[Wayacrucis]

There is a Doctor on this forum who owns several anti aging clinics and he himself buys Riptropins for his personal use. That should tell you something.

That's quite sad to be honest. If a person is a doctor and owns several anti aging clinics they must be doing quite well financially. Unless it's a matter of not having access to enough pharma grade GH, it's completely beyind me as to why this person would not wanna put the purist compound into their own body. And please...don't try to tell me any chinese generic is as pure/clean as pharma grade gh.

 

[jay_steel]

probably because the amount he has is regulated and does not want to raise any red flags and lose his business. Thats the only logical thing that i can think of.

 

[Big D84]

probably because the amount he has is regulated and does not want to raise any red flags and lose his business. Thats the only logical thing that i can think of.

That would be my guess aswell

 

[AshopRep]

probably because the amount he has is regulated and does not want to raise any red flags and lose his business. Thats the only logical thing that i can think of.

But if you're wealthy, wouldn't you buy the real thing.

 

[jm425]

That's quite sad to be honest. If a person is a doctor and owns several anti aging clinics they must be doing quite well financially. Unless it's a matter of not having access to enough pharma grade GH, it's completely beyind me as to why this person would not wanna put the purist compound into their own body. And please...don't try to tell me any chinese generic is as pure/clean as pharma grade gh.

Of course pharm grade gh will have less fillers than generics. Rips and hyges are the closest thing to pharm grade in terms of potency. Yes they leave more filler behind, but they are definitely very close in terms of potency as pharm grade gh. I can say this with confidence from running both and getting serum and igf tests on both.

 

[need4tren]

Biggest difference Ive seen is in fiber growth differences which believe me to think that generic is mostly peptides. Peptides can give serum levels up 40s so I don't judge by em. Yes both generic and hg produce results but the long term gains judge by fibergrowth from the pharm grade is far better. The generics make u think ur causing hyperplasia because it just fills u up with water. I would only use hg if not I would invest in peptides personally

 

[intensed]

YES! and YES!

Iran is starting to look better and better each day! Cheap Norditropin, They have some of the best food on earth, Iranian cuisine is right there with French cuisine in my book. Their leaders don't take shit from western bullies. They will hopefully soon be able to defend themselves from the bullies with a proper deterrent, Iranian women are extremely beautiful. They are also on the correct side of the Syrian conflict by opposing the US backed Al Quaeda terrorists, whom the lying US media and scummy US politicians love to call "rebels" or "opposition".

U.S. Government statement: "We don't always arm and support Al Quaeda terrorists, but when we do we call them rebels or opposition".

I wonder if the US was also arming and funding all of the Al quaeda terrorists in Iraq that blew off the multitudes of American military personel limbs? My gut feeling tells me they were.

After the revelations which have come to light because of the heroic American known as Edward Snowden, If I were American I would be looking for another country to live in ASAP. Iran would be a breath of fresh air compared to the US police/surveillance state where the rule of law and constitution mean absolutely nada. Im serious here, but Americans mostly all have a sort of stockholm syndrome that they quickly need to get over. I have met some great Americans, but they all lived internationally and could see right through all of the American propaganda bullshit better than anyone, none of them ever had any desire to go back.

When your Evil and Corrupt government spies on you illegally, and blatantly arms the same terrorists that they say were responsible for 911. It's probably time to look for an escape route, before they stop letting you travel abroad. Funny that China and Russia are now places where an American may want to "defect" to. My how times have changed!

I know that most Americans HATE Iran solely because they have been told to HATE Iran by the illegitimate, NSA, CIA, Criminal controlled US media. You all now know you have been lied to by this media on a daily basis since you were coherent enough to take in such poisonous media. You may want to start forming your own opinions from now on. It's even easy because you know whatever your media tells you is a total lie, so the opposite is many times true.

US MEDIA: IRAN IS EVIL!

Translation: Iran opposes US evil, and is actually good.

This isn't meant to be an assault on American people who are mostly good people, just hopefully a little wakeup call to many. I hope you sort your problems out and have a revolution, and the tyrants responsible for these vast crimes against humanity are all on the end of a rope. A tyrant controlled USA is not just a problem for US citizens, but for every citizen on earth. A truly free and open USA could feed the world, and heal the world, and create technology to visit other worlds. As it is now, anything good will be kept secret only to benefit a select few evil cunts, all genius will be used to build weapons or to think up better ways of spying on and further enslaving humanity.

If you are still waiving an American flag around thinking your country is the land of the free and home of the brave, you need to check yourself. A real patriot is the first person to be critical of his government when it acts criminally. Now is the time to hold the bastards accountable for what they have done. You have more of a chance than any of taking your country back from the criminals, you are armed to the teeth, do it not for America, but for the world, we are all doomed if these bastards gain total control of the world.

Im sorry I went off on a tangent, but serious criminal abuses are going on now, and have been going on for a long time. The house of cards built on a foundation of lies is starting to crumble, it is not going to be pretty, do not be fooled into rallying around your flag for any reason, save it for a new flag that isn't so badly tainted, the stars and stripes has lost any and all legitimacy it once had.

This all started from Iran, I just picture 100s of millions of Americans who with all due respect know nothing about the world, sitting around their TVs thinking that Iran is the "Devils nation" and it pisses me off, hopefully many have already woken up and turned their TVs off. Your government is more of an enemy to you and to humanity than any boogeyman they could ever have created to scare you.

I'm sorry no one has agreed with your statements. Everything you said about America is very true. Now, I don't know much about Iran, but if I had the money and resources I would move my whole family out of the USA. The country is headed towards a major cluster fuck. Most if not all the politicians are dirty bastards. Most will agree America is not what is use to be and continues its downward spiral.

 

[Hollow]

I'm sorry no one has agreed with your statements. Everything you said about America is very true. Now, I don't know much about Iran, but if I had the money and resources I would move my whole family out of the USA. The country is headed towards a major cluster fuck. Most if not all the politicians are dirty bastards. Most will agree America is not what is use to be and continues its downward spiral.

I could be wrong but I'm fairly certain this thread isn't about how much you two or anyone else dislikes America.

Moving on: I'm itching to start my elis but I'm still trying to make my way through the last few ius of generic blues. They just haven't been anywhere near up to par with rips. If it wasn't for the cost I probably would have just thrown them out.

 

[jm425]

Biggest difference Ive seen is in fiber growth differences which believe me to think that generic is mostly peptides. Peptides can give serum levels up 40s so I don't judge by em. Yes both generic and hg produce results but the long term gains judge by fibergrowth from the pharm grade is far better. The generics make u think ur causing hyperplasia because it just fills u up with water. I would only use hg if not I would invest in peptides personally

It has not been proven yet that hgh causes hyperplasia in humans. There are no dissections of the human muscle that prove this. It's all THEORY. Hyperplasia does happen in rats given gh but that does not equate to it happening in humans. Peptides have never and will never give you serum levels in the 40's period. Your pituitary gland would have to produce an equivalent of 15ius of hgh in one pulse to give you serum levels that high which is impossible.

 

[mg1228]

It has not been proven yet that hgh causes hyperplasia in humans. There are no dissections of the human muscle that prove this. It's all THEORY. Hyperplasia does happen in rats given gh but that does not equate to it happening in humans. Peptides have never and will never give you serum levels in the 40's period. Your pituitary gland would have to produce an equivalent of 15ius of hgh in one pulse to give you serum levels that high which is impossible.

peps might not give u a serum in the 40s 3 hrs post pin...but they will 45min post pin

bloodwork to prove it in jjs peptide thread

 

[Knight9]

It has not been proven yet that hgh causes hyperplasia in humans. There are no dissections of the human muscle that prove this. It's all THEORY. Hyperplasia does happen in rats given gh but that does not equate to it happening in humans. Peptides have never and will never give you serum levels in the 40's period. Your pituitary gland would have to produce an equivalent of 15ius of hgh in one pulse to give you serum levels that high which is impossible.

How many g.d. times are you.going to post this? I have read it at least 6 times in the last couple weeks from you! Let it go. Youre the gh hyperplasia conspiracy police.

 

[sweetpotatoepie7]

Ya'll are wrong... pharm grade hgh puts rips and hyges in the garbage straight up.. after running rips and hyges and then humatrope i have my own experience significantly noticing extreme profound affects from humatrope out of comparison with hyges and rips!

 

[jm425]

How many g.d. times are you.going to post this? I have read it at least 6 times in the last couple weeks from you! Let it go. Youre the gh hyperplasia conspiracy police.

Some people are obviously too blind to see the truth or are in denial about this subject. However, you're right, so I won't post it anymore. Frankly I was getting tired of posting it over and over again.

 

[alpha6164]

I have done extensive testing which included doing serum GH levels to IGF levels comparing identical dosages of Rips and Humatrope and rips came out higher. Now this is Hunatrope straight from CVS which cost $486 for 5mg vial. That is roughly 15units which is over $30 per unit. Anyone that doesn't believe price call CVS and check.

Now this test was done under the label asssumption that Rips have 10ius but we know from testing that there is a solid 4mg which means 12units are in each vial. So when Rips scored slightly higher it is because more was being injected than in reality. So if we took into consideration that it is really 12units then the two would be basically identical.

Anyone that says pharm is several folds better than rips then with all do respect you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. As far as why a physician would use rips vs Humatrope is the dosages that are used for "adult onset GH deficiency" are like 1-2units daily. Any more than that and DEA will be giving you a visit. Also it is highly a no no for a doctor to write himself a script of a controlled substance. And last but not least why the hell would I spend $486 for 15units when I can get same results for 1/10th. Maybe some don't get it but the wealthy stay wealthy by not throwing money away.

 

[Knight9]

Look who it is! The great Alpha!

Isnt there some truth that the 3d structure of Pharm Grade GH is less likely to require off time due to the build up of antibodies? I heard chinese generic build antibodies at a much higher rate and you should come off every 6-8 months for 8weeks or so.
Like I have mentioned, I see no one coming out as of late with 35, 40, 45,50,60 serums anymore.

 

[alpha6164]

Look who it is! The great Alpha!

Isnt there some truth that the 3d structure of Pharm Grade GH is less likely to require off time due to the build up of antibodies? I heard chinese generic build antibodies at a much higher rate and you should come off every 6-8 months for 8weeks or so.
Like I have mentioned, I see no one coming out as of late with 35, 40, 45,50,60 serums anymore.

Thanks knight.

I can only reasonably assume that pharm grade pharma does have less degradation and may be over all cleaner. Remember that whether it is Eli Lilly or the company that makes Rips or Elis they still are using E. Coli to genetically make this. Even pharm grade GH has very well known anti-body formation and cant see UG GH being any better. There are many clinical studies in kids that show that even as short as six months there are significant anti-body formations. And yes they will affect efficacy some but not significantly. Overall, giving yourself a 10-12 week break every six months is a good practice with any GH.

 

[ufcguy]

alpha what would you say to the people who say gh transforms them faster makes them leaner yet , rips makes you hold water etc? i have no experience with pharm grade gh so ive been trying to see if its worth the switch

 

[jm425]

alpha what would you say to the people who say gh transforms them faster makes them leaner yet , rips makes you hold water etc? i have no experience with pharm grade gh so ive been trying to see if its worth the switch

Edema is a potential side effect of hgh. It's not any indicator of whether the hgh is good or bad like some ignorant people on this board believe(won't name names). Aduren who is studying to get his PHD and has access to a lab, posted an article/study that showed that edema affects about 26% of hgh users.

 

[ThinkTank]

Iran is starting to look better and better each day! Cheap Norditropin, They have some of the best food on earth, Iranian cuisine is right there with French cuisine in my book. Their leaders don't take shit from western bullies. They will hopefully soon be able to defend themselves from the bullies with a proper deterrent, Iranian women are extremely beautiful. They are also on the correct side of the Syrian conflict by opposing the US backed Al Quaeda terrorists, whom the lying US media and scummy US politicians love to call "rebels" or "opposition".

U.S. Government statement: "We don't always arm and support Al Quaeda terrorists, but when we do we call them rebels or opposition".

I wonder if the US was also arming and funding all of the Al quaeda terrorists in Iraq that blew off the multitudes of American military personel limbs? My gut feeling tells me they were.

After the revelations which have come to light because of the heroic American known as Edward Snowden, If I were American I would be looking for another country to live in ASAP. Iran would be a breath of fresh air compared to the US police/surveillance state where the rule of law and constitution mean absolutely nada. Im serious here, but Americans mostly all have a sort of stockholm syndrome that they quickly need to get over. I have met some great Americans, but they all lived internationally and could see right through all of the American propaganda bullshit better than anyone, none of them ever had any desire to go back.

When your Evil and Corrupt government spies on you illegally, and blatantly arms the same terrorists that they say were responsible for 911. It's probably time to look for an escape route, before they stop letting you travel abroad. Funny that China and Russia are now places where an American may want to "defect" to. My how times have changed!

I know that most Americans HATE Iran solely because they have been told to HATE Iran by the illegitimate, NSA, CIA, Criminal controlled US media. You all now know you have been lied to by this media on a daily basis since you were coherent enough to take in such poisonous media. You may want to start forming your own opinions from now on. It's even easy because you know whatever your media tells you is a total lie, so the opposite is many times true.

US MEDIA: IRAN IS EVIL!

Translation: Iran opposes US evil, and is actually good.

This isn't meant to be an assault on American people who are mostly good people, just hopefully a little wakeup call to many. I hope you sort your problems out and have a revolution, and the tyrants responsible for these vast crimes against humanity are all on the end of a rope. A tyrant controlled USA is not just a problem for US citizens, but for every citizen on earth. A truly free and open USA could feed the world, and heal the world, and create technology to visit other worlds. As it is now, anything good will be kept secret only to benefit a select few evil cunts, all genius will be used to build weapons or to think up better ways of spying on and further enslaving humanity.

If you are still waiving an American flag around thinking your country is the land of the free and home of the brave, you need to check yourself. A real patriot is the first person to be critical of his government when it acts criminally. Now is the time to hold the bastards accountable for what they have done. You have more of a chance than any of taking your country back from the criminals, you are armed to the teeth, do it not for America, but for the world, we are all doomed if these bastards gain total control of the world.

Im sorry I went off on a tangent, but serious criminal abuses are going on now, and have been going on for a long time. The house of cards built on a foundation of lies is starting to crumble, it is not going to be pretty, do not be fooled into rallying around your flag for any reason, save it for a new flag that isn't so badly tainted, the stars and stripes has lost any and all legitimacy it once had.

This all started from Iran, I just picture 100s of millions of Americans who with all due respect know nothing about the world, sitting around their TVs thinking that Iran is the "Devils nation" and it pisses me off, hopefully many have already woken up and turned their TVs off. Your government is more of an enemy to you and to humanity than any boogeyman they could ever have created to scare you.

:banghead: WTF did I just read? This thread is about GH you fucking douchebag. No one wants to read and engage political discourse in a thread about GH.