Mike, you're a good guy with concerns for peoples well being, that is obvious. As previously stated, I was not trying to bash you in any way.
I know, buddy.
However, I am a recovering addict and was addicted to oxy's and percs for a long time.
Me too.
They try to eleminate things addicts do to abuse them, but we are a clever bunch of screw ups.
Of course.
When I said the built-in abuse limitations couldn't be overcome, I wasn't saying that the product couldn't be abused, I was only saying that the built-in abuse limitations themselves couldn't be overcome...and they can't, which I will explain below.
As I've said many times before, I do think the product can be abused, as I think even daily use at the maximum recommended dosing range could be considered abuse if it leads to dependence. By saying that the built-in abuse imitations couldn't be overcome, I was referring specifically to the inability to remove the other ingredients from the product (technically, they could be separated, but it would cost a LOT more money than its worth).
Having those ingredients in there will prevent people from being able to use more than a certain dose (unless they want to have a stimulant induced heart attack). Some other ingredients actually prevent dependence directly through various mechanisms. Like I said above, this doesn't mean abuse can't occur. It does, however, mean that the built-in abuse limitations themselves can't be overcome (at least not without spending many $1,000's). These limitations don't eliminate all possibility of abuse--they just prevent the product from being abused beyond a certain point.
I think your product has good potentisl, not knocking it at all. Just stating that guys will abuse if they so desire.
I think I addressed this pretty well above.
I understand you're not their father and won't hold their hands through it. But what if someone does not abuse and become dependent? Everyone's body reacts differently, someone "could" become dependent is all I'm saying.
I think "dependence" itself connotes abuse. If someone takes the product as directed (no more than 4X weekly), I don't think anyone will become dependent (dependent meaning that the body has become reliant on the drug and will experience withdrawals, to varying degrees, in its absence), regardless of differences in drug metabolization, etc. This has been shown time and time again...both in clinical practice (prescriptions) and anecdotally--for over 50 years. Prescribing physicians have their patients take the drug daily--sometimes for years on end--with no withdrawal symptoms reported. Of course, this is when used at doses deemed suitable for depression, but it does go to show that even daily use, when the dose is moderated, doesn't appear to cause dependence.
When using Vicaine a maximum of 4X weekly, physical dependence is a near impossibility. At least 10 people who have used the product have now reported this...and several have reported no withdrawals even with daily use (although I do not recommend that).
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