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Side effects: drug by drug
I haven't been a very active poster in the last 1-2 years, but vets from the UG and Renegade know me. Anyway, I decided to post because I'm seeing an alarming trend when it comes to health (or lack of concern for health, maybe) in the bb'ing community. I'm don't consider myself a Guru or expert. Over the years, however, I've been between 165 lbs-265lbs, I've had a PT and nutrition biz, and I've tried just about every training program and drug protocal out there. I think many of us show a blatant disregard for health and even rational thinking when it comes to bb'ing. I'm not an armchair quarterback, I'm speaking from experience.
Many of us refuse to Listen to our body's because all we care about is achieving a certain look. How many of you experience one of more of these symtoms on a cycle?: Extreme bloating, frequent headaches, nausea, gyno, high BP, extreme sweating, dizziness, anxiety, depression, blah, blah, blah............. When you experiennce these and other problems, frequently or too an extreme, your body is Telling you something!
Does it make more sense to A: use 2-3 grams of gear/week, eat a shitload of food, gain 40 lbs. Then after stuffing yourself with tons of food, you have to diet off all the fat. Lets say this takes place over a 4-5 months period and you net a total of 15 lbs LBM.............................Now, choice B: Spend that 4-5 month period slowly increasing you calorie intake and using less gear to net 15 lbs LBM....................Which makes more sense? putting your body through a hellish roller coster of weight fluctuation and drug abuse to net 15 lbs, or slowly building a solid and retainable 15 lbs while feeling good and staying healthy?
It seems people are completely nonchalant about posting, "Yeah, i'm about to start a cycle of 1000-1500mg Test/week, 600mg Deca/week, and 100mg Drol/day...btw- I am 6feet tall, and 185lbs with 13% BF".......I am not specifically saying this Discussion Board, rather all bb'ing boards in general. I'm sure most of you who have been to other boards know that Pro Muscle has a much lower % of childish crap (in fact, almost none) compared to other boards, but I still seems like alot of bro's are not taking the proper health precautions (BTW- speaking of other boards, and not to offend anyone who is a member of Anabolex, but that board is a damn joke--the average age must be 16yrs old)
OK-- I figure I could go on forever if i talked about nutrition and training (HIT vs Volume, for ex.), but I'll just stick to Side Effects and how the combat them.....Remember, these are simply my OPINIONS-----
Drug's I won't use anymore (I have used all of these in the past):
TREN: before you all pull out the shotgun, let me just say that Tren can net some awesome gains. Awesome for muscle hardness, strength, and vascularity. BUT-- mood swings, cramping, extreme sweating(especially at night), sore nips, limp dick (can be allieviated for some with Test use).....plus, many crash HARD after Tren use.....
A-Drol + D-bol: Drol makes me feel shitty and makes my nips sore, plus mucho water retention, and you loose most of the gains anyway. D-bol pretty much the same as Drol, except you don't seem to feel so shitty as with Drol. I loose my appetite on D-bol and the lower back pain really sucks. Some may say to just use an anti-E with D-bol, but why use D-bol+anti-e when you can just use Winny instead?...........Obviously, liver protection is a concern with all 17aa's.......
Deca: I think deca is a good choice for many, I just don't like it for me. Lot's of water retention (and anti-E's don't help the progesterone) and sore nips. Deca is great for joints, though.
Halo: I used to love Halo. Unrivaled for strength and hardness. Anyone who's used it knows about the side effects. It makes you crazy aggresive, and I get pain in my sides with Halo. I just think it's too toxic....
Clomid: I did some of the stupidest shit ever while using clomid. It makes me feel like and out of control, moody little bitch. Not to mention, I actually Retain water on clomid. Funny thing is that i great awesome pumps when using clomid by itself.
DNP: Just knowing what DNP is and what it's used for should deter you from using it. With that said, I have used DNP....lol.......You will sweat like you've NEVER sweated before; I'm taking 10 degrees outside, lying in your underwear with the window open and still pouring sweat. DNP will turn your clothes yellow, you will be a complete sloth and feel like shit. On the funny, I'm a freak side, you will get a big kick out of your girl's reaction when you shoot a big wad of dark yellow cum on her...hehehe.......
Insulin: Makes me too fat and watery. Not to mention, is it really worth the risk?
Ephedrine: Crazy mood swings, can't sleep at night even if i take it in the morning. I don't do to well with stimulants overall
I might have missed a few, but these are just off the top of my head. I also might have missed a few of the side effects, but let me mention them now---and how to alleviate them:
Hair lose: I'll let you bald guys handle that...hehehe....seriously, though, I don't think MPB is a problem for me, so i've not done much research on it.....
Water retention: Good luck if it's caused by Anadrol or Deca. Some say Winny helps; maybe slightly, but not much. For Estrogen related bloating, go for Arimed, Letro, or Aromasin. I was able to use Aromasin towards the end of my last cycle, and I think it's great. I now prefer Arimed or Letro for use post cycle. Many folks don't realize that excess sodium and/or caffiene can creat edema problems. If you insist on using caffeine and foods with high sodium, i suggest suplementing with potassium and/or a light herbal diuretic such as Dandelion Root. If i'm drinking too much coffee, one 99mg potassium tab reduces the bloating rather quickly. As far as sodium--- these days i just try to watch my sodium intake more closely than i did in the past.......
Anxiety: Before you turn to prescription drugs, try Inositol and/or Kava Kava. Many people get too amped up or anxious with gear use (especially Tren and Winny). Inositol at 6-12 grams/day, split into 2-3 doses can work wonders. Not to mention, it's good for maintaining a healthy liver. Inositol will not make you sluggish, but it will take the edge off. Kava Kava will definilty mellow you out. I heard rumors about it being somewhat harsh on the liver, but i'm not sure how much truth there is to it.
Depression; Moodiness: If you have these problems, or insist on using Tren or Clomid, I suggest Piracetam at 1600-2400mg's day, split into 2-3 doses. If you're using Clomid, Piracetam will help you to feel more "normal". It helps with depression and altertness/clear thoughts. I know there's a ton of stuff along these lines--- Other smart drugs, Oxygen/Ozone, Ginko, Ginsing, etc........You have to find what works for you, and I think they all help to some degree....i just like Piracetam the best.......
Liver health: Everyone knows about Milk Thistle; I also like Liv-52 (or Liver Care), it's been around for a long time and it's good stuff. ALA is getting a lot of attention for numerous things, including liver health. If nothing else, it's a great antioxidant. Tylers has a product that looks good, and I've already mentioned Inositol......
Overall Health: Fish oils, Flax, Fiber (Very overlooked by most), a good multi-vit, vit-C, Zinc, lots of water
Drugs i might use sparingly:
Nolva: Good to have around while on cycle in case of gyno flare up. It's decent post cycle, but kills my strength gains. Arimed post cycle helps me to keep strength and ward of estro fat gain and depression....
T-3: I think diet is most important when cutting. If you have great genetics, then use it while cutting, but i personally loose too much muscle. If you're bulking with gear, I do think 12.5-25mcg T-3 can be beneficial to some people.......
The first steps to looking and feeling your best is obviously Good nurtrition, Adequate rest, and Not so much Damn Gear! I realize that people have different frames and can tolerate weight gain to various degrees. I may have wide shoulders, but I've got small wrists. My body was not meant to carry 265lbs at 12%bf; it was sooo uncomfortable and i know i couldn't have been too healthy. My point is to just listen to your body, and consider the future. Right now I don't have kids or even a serious relationship. But when i do have kids i'm sure i'll want to be healthy enough to watch them grow up. How many of you know guys (or women) in their 40's-50's who talk about how much they regret a lot of the shit they did to their bodies when they were younger? Shit, if you die at 60, your probably won't have much of a chance to see your grandchildren. This may sound completely unimportant now, but if you talk to some folks who are older you might change your mind.............................Also, doesn't it make sense to feel good while on cycle, and to build gains that are maintainable? After years of blasting and lots of Gear, these last couple years I've changed my views on a lot of stuff. Heck, I haven't even had a workout in 2003. I've got a bum shoulder and I feel like i could use a good long rest anyway. When I get back into it, the emphasis will remain on slower, more permanent gains; and feeling healthy while doing it. 500mg Test with some Winny or Anavar at the end will be fine............
Like i said , I could go on forever. I don't want to ramble too much, though,so i'll stop here...........I'm sure i forgot some stuff, so any questions of comments would be cool..........
Dr.S............
I haven't been a very active poster in the last 1-2 years, but vets from the UG and Renegade know me. Anyway, I decided to post because I'm seeing an alarming trend when it comes to health (or lack of concern for health, maybe) in the bb'ing community. I'm don't consider myself a Guru or expert. Over the years, however, I've been between 165 lbs-265lbs, I've had a PT and nutrition biz, and I've tried just about every training program and drug protocal out there. I think many of us show a blatant disregard for health and even rational thinking when it comes to bb'ing. I'm not an armchair quarterback, I'm speaking from experience.
Many of us refuse to Listen to our body's because all we care about is achieving a certain look. How many of you experience one of more of these symtoms on a cycle?: Extreme bloating, frequent headaches, nausea, gyno, high BP, extreme sweating, dizziness, anxiety, depression, blah, blah, blah............. When you experiennce these and other problems, frequently or too an extreme, your body is Telling you something!
Does it make more sense to A: use 2-3 grams of gear/week, eat a shitload of food, gain 40 lbs. Then after stuffing yourself with tons of food, you have to diet off all the fat. Lets say this takes place over a 4-5 months period and you net a total of 15 lbs LBM.............................Now, choice B: Spend that 4-5 month period slowly increasing you calorie intake and using less gear to net 15 lbs LBM....................Which makes more sense? putting your body through a hellish roller coster of weight fluctuation and drug abuse to net 15 lbs, or slowly building a solid and retainable 15 lbs while feeling good and staying healthy?
It seems people are completely nonchalant about posting, "Yeah, i'm about to start a cycle of 1000-1500mg Test/week, 600mg Deca/week, and 100mg Drol/day...btw- I am 6feet tall, and 185lbs with 13% BF".......I am not specifically saying this Discussion Board, rather all bb'ing boards in general. I'm sure most of you who have been to other boards know that Pro Muscle has a much lower % of childish crap (in fact, almost none) compared to other boards, but I still seems like alot of bro's are not taking the proper health precautions (BTW- speaking of other boards, and not to offend anyone who is a member of Anabolex, but that board is a damn joke--the average age must be 16yrs old)
OK-- I figure I could go on forever if i talked about nutrition and training (HIT vs Volume, for ex.), but I'll just stick to Side Effects and how the combat them.....Remember, these are simply my OPINIONS-----
Drug's I won't use anymore (I have used all of these in the past):
TREN: before you all pull out the shotgun, let me just say that Tren can net some awesome gains. Awesome for muscle hardness, strength, and vascularity. BUT-- mood swings, cramping, extreme sweating(especially at night), sore nips, limp dick (can be allieviated for some with Test use).....plus, many crash HARD after Tren use.....
A-Drol + D-bol: Drol makes me feel shitty and makes my nips sore, plus mucho water retention, and you loose most of the gains anyway. D-bol pretty much the same as Drol, except you don't seem to feel so shitty as with Drol. I loose my appetite on D-bol and the lower back pain really sucks. Some may say to just use an anti-E with D-bol, but why use D-bol+anti-e when you can just use Winny instead?...........Obviously, liver protection is a concern with all 17aa's.......
Deca: I think deca is a good choice for many, I just don't like it for me. Lot's of water retention (and anti-E's don't help the progesterone) and sore nips. Deca is great for joints, though.
Halo: I used to love Halo. Unrivaled for strength and hardness. Anyone who's used it knows about the side effects. It makes you crazy aggresive, and I get pain in my sides with Halo. I just think it's too toxic....
Clomid: I did some of the stupidest shit ever while using clomid. It makes me feel like and out of control, moody little bitch. Not to mention, I actually Retain water on clomid. Funny thing is that i great awesome pumps when using clomid by itself.
DNP: Just knowing what DNP is and what it's used for should deter you from using it. With that said, I have used DNP....lol.......You will sweat like you've NEVER sweated before; I'm taking 10 degrees outside, lying in your underwear with the window open and still pouring sweat. DNP will turn your clothes yellow, you will be a complete sloth and feel like shit. On the funny, I'm a freak side, you will get a big kick out of your girl's reaction when you shoot a big wad of dark yellow cum on her...hehehe.......
Insulin: Makes me too fat and watery. Not to mention, is it really worth the risk?
Ephedrine: Crazy mood swings, can't sleep at night even if i take it in the morning. I don't do to well with stimulants overall
I might have missed a few, but these are just off the top of my head. I also might have missed a few of the side effects, but let me mention them now---and how to alleviate them:
Hair lose: I'll let you bald guys handle that...hehehe....seriously, though, I don't think MPB is a problem for me, so i've not done much research on it.....
Water retention: Good luck if it's caused by Anadrol or Deca. Some say Winny helps; maybe slightly, but not much. For Estrogen related bloating, go for Arimed, Letro, or Aromasin. I was able to use Aromasin towards the end of my last cycle, and I think it's great. I now prefer Arimed or Letro for use post cycle. Many folks don't realize that excess sodium and/or caffiene can creat edema problems. If you insist on using caffeine and foods with high sodium, i suggest suplementing with potassium and/or a light herbal diuretic such as Dandelion Root. If i'm drinking too much coffee, one 99mg potassium tab reduces the bloating rather quickly. As far as sodium--- these days i just try to watch my sodium intake more closely than i did in the past.......
Anxiety: Before you turn to prescription drugs, try Inositol and/or Kava Kava. Many people get too amped up or anxious with gear use (especially Tren and Winny). Inositol at 6-12 grams/day, split into 2-3 doses can work wonders. Not to mention, it's good for maintaining a healthy liver. Inositol will not make you sluggish, but it will take the edge off. Kava Kava will definilty mellow you out. I heard rumors about it being somewhat harsh on the liver, but i'm not sure how much truth there is to it.
Depression; Moodiness: If you have these problems, or insist on using Tren or Clomid, I suggest Piracetam at 1600-2400mg's day, split into 2-3 doses. If you're using Clomid, Piracetam will help you to feel more "normal". It helps with depression and altertness/clear thoughts. I know there's a ton of stuff along these lines--- Other smart drugs, Oxygen/Ozone, Ginko, Ginsing, etc........You have to find what works for you, and I think they all help to some degree....i just like Piracetam the best.......
Liver health: Everyone knows about Milk Thistle; I also like Liv-52 (or Liver Care), it's been around for a long time and it's good stuff. ALA is getting a lot of attention for numerous things, including liver health. If nothing else, it's a great antioxidant. Tylers has a product that looks good, and I've already mentioned Inositol......
Overall Health: Fish oils, Flax, Fiber (Very overlooked by most), a good multi-vit, vit-C, Zinc, lots of water
Drugs i might use sparingly:
Nolva: Good to have around while on cycle in case of gyno flare up. It's decent post cycle, but kills my strength gains. Arimed post cycle helps me to keep strength and ward of estro fat gain and depression....
T-3: I think diet is most important when cutting. If you have great genetics, then use it while cutting, but i personally loose too much muscle. If you're bulking with gear, I do think 12.5-25mcg T-3 can be beneficial to some people.......
The first steps to looking and feeling your best is obviously Good nurtrition, Adequate rest, and Not so much Damn Gear! I realize that people have different frames and can tolerate weight gain to various degrees. I may have wide shoulders, but I've got small wrists. My body was not meant to carry 265lbs at 12%bf; it was sooo uncomfortable and i know i couldn't have been too healthy. My point is to just listen to your body, and consider the future. Right now I don't have kids or even a serious relationship. But when i do have kids i'm sure i'll want to be healthy enough to watch them grow up. How many of you know guys (or women) in their 40's-50's who talk about how much they regret a lot of the shit they did to their bodies when they were younger? Shit, if you die at 60, your probably won't have much of a chance to see your grandchildren. This may sound completely unimportant now, but if you talk to some folks who are older you might change your mind.............................Also, doesn't it make sense to feel good while on cycle, and to build gains that are maintainable? After years of blasting and lots of Gear, these last couple years I've changed my views on a lot of stuff. Heck, I haven't even had a workout in 2003. I've got a bum shoulder and I feel like i could use a good long rest anyway. When I get back into it, the emphasis will remain on slower, more permanent gains; and feeling healthy while doing it. 500mg Test with some Winny or Anavar at the end will be fine............
Like i said , I could go on forever. I don't want to ramble too much, though,so i'll stop here...........I'm sure i forgot some stuff, so any questions of comments would be cool..........
Dr.S............
