TEST: At what dosage do you believe the sides outweigh the gains

[teslacsten]

At what dosage do you guys believe the gains from test outweigh the neg. sides from test. Looking for the higher end of test that is going to help me make gains w/o just wasting my gear on neg. sides.

Thanks
Tes

 

[oldfella]

At what dosage do you guys believe the gains from test outweigh the neg. sides from test. Looking for the higher end of test that is going to help me make gains w/o just wasting my gear on neg. sides.

Thanks
Tes

IMO, if you can not make gains on 600ml per wk then either it is bogus shit or you need to address other areas of your training and nutrition.

 

[teslacsten]

Thanks for the response oldfella

 

[jayuk]

IMO, if you can not make gains on 600ml per wk then either it is bogus shit or you need to address other areas of your training and nutrition.

And just to confirm, he meant 600mg and NOT 600ml (at least I bloody hope not!)

 

[oldfella]

And just to confirm, he meant 600mg and NOT 600ml (at least I bloody hope not!)

Quite right, it's very early mon morn. here! Yes 600mg. Thanks jayuk. Glad someone's payin attention.

 

[teslacsten]

I figured he meant mg not ml. Although I wouldn't be surprised if someone did recommend 600ml a week. Just kidding

 

[km2000]

depends on how new or advanced tou are, if you read gavins articles on hardcore bulking it is all pretty well explained there.. some can gain fine on 500mg a week but get gyno, others can run 1500-2000mg a week and not have to use any anti e's (iron addict) your body will tell you!

you can sit here and listen to everyones personal experience but it is a waste of time imo, sometimes you have ot be the ginnie pig, up your dose from 250 mg every few weeks and see when you start really growing and when the sides really manifest themselves, now side effects are very broad too... are you speaking of gyno and water retention? or high blood pressure, cholesterol, and other levels you cant see in the mirror?

 

[Gunsmith]

750 a week is my "happy" dose with Sustanon , I've gone as high as 1250mg and diden't see any real improvemnet but higher blood pressure and tender nips. I've also tried D-bol up to 100mg/ed and ended up with realy high BP in just about 10 days and the power gain wasen't and better , my "happy" does for D-bol is 30mg , I don't get any more gains from 50 than 30 so I keep it their.

My next cycle I'm gonna shoot 1/2cc sus with 1/2cc prop every other day , 30mg d-Bol and 30 mg winstrol everyday , combined with 100mcg T3/ed and HGH at 4IU's ed

 

[Ashop]

At what dosage do you guys believe the gains from test outweigh the neg. sides from test. Looking for the higher end of test that is going to help me make gains w/o just wasting my gear on neg. sides.

Thanks
Tes

This is purely individual and depends on cycle experience.