The Definitive Health Thread

[EricJ123]

Going to run bloods again soon. Ran anadrol for the first time and Want to make sure it didn’t fuck anything up. Other than a typical cmp is there anything else that should be ran for kidneys?

 

[juiceball44]

Hepatic Function Panel with GGT

 

[beast405]

Going to run bloods again soon. Ran anadrol for the first time and Want to make sure it didn’t fuck anything up. Other than a typical cmp is there anything else that should be ran for kidneys?

I could almost bet one time with adrol didn’t fuck any thing up man. Unless you already had under lying issues But it is good to get bloods done for sure.

 

[EricJ123]

I could almost bet one time with adrol didn’t fuck any thing up man. Unless you already had under lying issues But it is good to get bloods done for sure.

Hepatic Function Panel with GGT

GGT Came back at 21. In fact everything came back fine besides HDL and Crit. However my RBC's and Hemoglobin dropped so the rise in crit was likely dehydration. I'm surprised as I was training 2x/day. 100mg Anadrol AM, 50-75 mg anavar PM.

I've been reading low HDL insn't much of a risk factor as long as your LDL and APO-B are in range. But who knows.....

 

[j2048b]

This was a low dose study of 2000FU that failed to show benefits. Here is a more recent study where a high dose of 10,800FU was used that showed AMAZING benefits, with no safety concerns.

Effective management of atherosclerosis progress and hyperlipidemia with nattokinase: A clinical study with 1,062 participants

Nattokinase (NK), known as a potent fibrinolytic and antithrombotic agent, has been shown to have antiatherosclerotic and lipid-lowering effects. However, data on human clinical studies are limited. In this clinical study involving 1,062 participants, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"In summary, our data from this largest clinical study involving 1,062 participants suggest that NK at the daily dose of 10,800 FU, which is higher than the recommended dose of 2,000 FU, is significantly effective in the management of atherosclerosis progression and hyperlipidemia. No adverse effects associated with the use of NK is observed. The study advances our understanding of the action of NK and the importance of the dosage of NK. We also demonstrate that other factors, including lifestyle and co-use of vitamin K2 and aspirin, could contribute positively to the clinical outcome. Our findings provide evidence that promising and positive clinical outcome in the management of atherosclerosis progression and hyperlipidemia can be achieved safely by using NK at a dose of 10,800 FU per day."

Unfortunately for me every time i use natto i get bloody noses…

 

[Knight9]

This was a low dose study of 2000FU that failed to show benefits. Here is a more recent study where a high dose of 10,800FU was used that showed AMAZING benefits, with no safety concerns.

Effective management of atherosclerosis progress and hyperlipidemia with nattokinase: A clinical study with 1,062 participants

Nattokinase (NK), known as a potent fibrinolytic and antithrombotic agent, has been shown to have antiatherosclerotic and lipid-lowering effects. However, data on human clinical studies are limited. In this clinical study involving 1,062 participants, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"In summary, our data from this largest clinical study involving 1,062 participants suggest that NK at the daily dose of 10,800 FU, which is higher than the recommended dose of 2,000 FU, is significantly effective in the management of atherosclerosis progression and hyperlipidemia. No adverse effects associated with the use of NK is observed. The study advances our understanding of the action of NK and the importance of the dosage of NK. We also demonstrate that other factors, including lifestyle and co-use of vitamin K2 and aspirin, could contribute positively to the clinical outcome. Our findings provide evidence that promising and positive clinical outcome in the management of atherosclerosis progression and hyperlipidemia can be achieved safely by using NK at a dose of 10,800 FU per day."

I can rarely tell with certainty what (in this lifestyle) can be presumed to be linear results.
Looking at the 2000fu vs 10,8000fu study, I would venture to say that 8000FU+ would probably be outstanding as well - but I really want to see a similar study.

I thought about creating a product with 3600FU or 5400FU when this study was first making waves. It's not that 2000FU increments aren't somewhat manageable - it's just that the latest research decided to use that uneven dose. As mentioned, it would be wonderful to see continued research coming forth with doses of 4000, 5000, 8000FU etc so we can really dial it in. I have told about and explained how to use this supplement to hundreds of people over the past few years and I hope most of them listened.

 

[nothuman]

I can rarely tell with certainty what (in this lifestyle) can be presumed to be linear results.
Looking at the 2000fu vs 10,8000fu study, I would venture to say that 8000FU+ would probably be outstanding as well - but I really want to see a similar study.

I thought about creating a product with 3600FU or 5400FU when this study was first making waves. It's not that 2000FU increments aren't somewhat manageable - it's just that the latest research decided to use that uneven dose. As mentioned, it would be wonderful to see continued research coming forth with doses of 4000, 5000, 8000FU etc so we can really dial it in. I have told about and explained how to use this supplement to hundreds of people over the past few years and I hope most of them listened.

This is the highest dose nattokinase product (4000FU per capsule) I’ve found that passed 3rd party testing on consumerlab

Arthur Andrew Medical, Nattovena,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FKT9XTU?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

 

[j2048b]

This is the highest dose nattokinase product (4000FU per capsule) I’ve found that passed 3rd party testing on consumerlab

Arthur Andrew Medical, Nattovena,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FKT9XTU?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

Neprinol by the same company is awesome as well….

i have used in the past and liked it… but as stated before bloody noses from natto…

 

[Knight9]

This is the highest dose nattokinase product (4000FU per capsule) I’ve found that passed 3rd party testing on consumerlab

Arthur Andrew Medical, Nattovena,... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FKT9XTU?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

You should check out Hemo Flow from Leviathan. 4000iu per capsule with an impressive supporting cast.

 

[xyz14]

Just a quick question so im gonna put it up here - i think i heard some discussion about running livers supps after youre done with orals rather than with them. Like those liver health supps might actually worsen the efficiency of the orals or make them more toxic by making your liver work better - lol. cant really put this in better word.

Whats y'all opinion on this? I have some tudca and nac on hand and i will be adding winstrol and anavar soon.

Livers supps during orals or afterwards?

 

[bjjgear]

I do my liver support both during and after.

 

[Love_to_Bodybuild]

I'm surprised as I was training 2x/day. 100mg Anadrol AM, 50-75 mg anavar PM.

I've been reading low HDL insn't much of a risk factor as long as your LDL and APO-B are in range. But who knows.....

How long were you running these, before you received lab results?

This used to be case for I. First eight years, using hormones ,hdl was down to 17. Lol was good.

Last time lab results said LDL needs a lot of improvement. Hdl came up to 27, from taking a station, prescribed from endocrinologist.

 

[Michael_]

это было очень интересно.

 

[chip2th]

I'm creating this thread as a resource for the conscientious weightlifting enthusiast who uses AAS and ancillaries. John Meadows recent passing has rocked the bodybuilding world. I hope those with the proper knowledge will contribute to this thread. This will be a comprehensive resource for health issues we need to be aware of and the tests that are needed. There are volumes of information on this incredible forum but let's try to get it not only in one thread but one post! I'll take the information that's posted and add it to this first post so people don't have to search through multiple pages!!

It's unfortunate that the medical world is more reactive than proactive. You can go to 23andMe or Ancestry and get DNA testing done that shows genetic factors where one may be susceptible and all for a very cheap price considering what you get. Sadly the medical community, that I know of, isn't offering a cumulative testing package like this.

Ok, I'll start with a few and hopefully this list keeps growing!

Cardiovascular

- Blood Pressure - This is the simplest thing one can track and so many still don't. High BP causes Cardiomyopathy and is the #1 cause of Kidney Failure.

- Resting Heart Rate and Average Maximum Heart Rate - https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/fitness/fitness-basics/target-heart-rates

- ECG/EKG - Records the electrical signals in your heart which can reveal an arrhythmia. https://www.heartrhythmalliance.org/aa/uk/types-of-arrhythmia

- Echocardiogram - This is an ultrasound of the heart that can reveal different types of heart disease and/or defects. This will also give you your Ejection Fraction. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/echocardiogram

- Calcium CT Score - This measures the plaque inside your arteries. $99 to $150 out of pocket! https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/heart-scan/about/pac-20384686

- VAP Panel - This is a Cardiovascular Risk Marker Panel. It's an in-depth look at your different lipoprotein, TG's, cholesterol, and other cardiovascular relevant lipid levels.

Using the VAP lipid panel for the detection, evaluation, and treatment of patients “at risk” for CAD

In the past several decades, multiple clinical trials have demonstrated the effects of dyslipidemia beyond low density lipoprotein cholesterol (LDL-C)…

www.sciencedirect.com

**broken link removed**

- CRP HS - C Reactive Protein High Sensitivity is a predictor in the risks of future heart attacks, stroke, arterial disease, or sudden cardiac death even when cholesterol levels are within normal ranges. https://healthresearchfunding.org/understanding-the-crp-hs-blood-test-results/

- BNP (B-Type Natriuretic Peptide) - BNP helps the body compensate for Congestive Heart Failure (CHF) https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/bnp-an-important-new-cardiac-test

Clotting Disorders

- Factor V Leiden - A genetic blood clotting disorder. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/factor-v-leiden/symptoms-causes/syc-20372423

- Prothrombin II Mutation - A genetic blood clotting disorder. https://www.stoptheclot.org/learn_more/prothrombin-g20210a-factor-ii-mutation/

- Polycythemia Vera - A blood cancer that begins in the marrow and causes it to make too many red blood cells. Polycythemia Vera is usually inherited and you can be genetically tested for Polycythemia Vera via its marker, the JAK2 (Janus-associated kinase 2) gene present in approx 95% of cases. You would likely only have this genetic test if other symptoms were present such as irregularly high RBC counts, above normal HCT, and enlarged spleen. Bone marrow can also be sampled for examination. Just because you test negative for JAK2, you may still have polycythemia.

Types and treatment:

Polycythemia Vera is a chronic cancer associated with inherently proliferative activity in bone marrow (95% along with JAK2 gene) causing elevated RBCs, HbG, white blood cell counts (specifically granulocytes) and also platelet counts. It is treatable but not curable.

Secondary Polycythemia: Unlike Polycythemia Vera, secondary polycythemia manifests for a specific reason such as increased erythrocytosis brought on by a specific condition such as hypoxia, sleep apnea, steroid abuse, etc. In other words, fix the underlying problem and erythrocytosis should return to normal. Once the underlying cause is treated, secondary polycythemia will usually resolve itself but often not before some type of tissue damage is done.

Nonspecific Secondary Polycythemia: Manifests for no identifiable reason whatsoever. It is treatable but for obvious reasons, not curable.


Supplements

This is for supplements that we use for acute issues and proactively for long term health!

- Curcumin - This has so many health benefits it's mind boggling. Type in any disease or disorder along with Curcumin and most often a study will pop up.

So what am I supposed to do fi I have high C reactive protein?

 

[buck]

So what am I supposed to do fi I have high C reactive protein?

Try to figure out what is causing it and change what you do.

 

[Reno911]

So what am I supposed to do fi I have high C reactive protein?

How "high" is it?

One of the first questions I'd ask is what carrier oil is in your gear? Second, are you running any sort of infection or have you been sick recently?