Kilo Klub Member
- Apr 20, 2009
Agree with this postThe vast majority of machines allow you to do this no problem.
Anyway, I can't believe we have this same thread every few weeks and the same 3 or 4 points get made back and forth.
The TLR of what matters is always the same:
- Training close to failure most of the time is probably optimal.
- Occasionally going beyond failure can be beneficial.
- Training away from failure can have some benefits, but needs to be accommodated for with more sets to make up the lack of effective reps.
- Failure itself can be tough to define because there's a large window where you can put a gun to someone's head who thinks they hit failure and suddenly they find 3 reps, etc. etc.
- All of this is pointless for the majority of beginner/intermediate trainees because very few people really know what it's like to push a set hard, and intentionally leaving "reps in the tank" for someone who doesn't really know how to train to failure is likely going to cause them to make their training borderline if not completely ineffective.
And the most important one:
- Mike Israetel is a hack who set training culture back several years by making a career out of misinterpreting faulty science and selling it to newbies on reddit. He's now carefully backing off from that but has to do so slowly lest he admit his entire career was fraudulent.
Crazy how people try and make failure as this absurd thing that is unachievable by mortals to justify the Mike Israel "rir" "reps in the tank" nonsense.
" you have never trained to failure because no one put a shotgun to your head" "
" you can't train to failure or you'll shatter bones or die under a barbell because machines don't exist."
Are people really saying that no on earth has touched failure on a preacher curl machine, overhead dumbbell press, tricep cable press? All to justify high volume pump training and useless terminology that overcomplicates. Rpe scale rir, what's next we have to hire Mike Israetel as a coach and send him videos of our sets and he can give them an intensity score?
Lat pulldown set 1 was a 79.52 intensity rpe. Breathing heavy after last rep, potential to not recover for next workout, dial down intensity to 69.25 or risk needing a deload week of 7.4 days.