Who prefers lower test while going higher with other anabolics?

[Lilleo187]

I've only ran test higher than 250 a few times and I've ran a lot of cycles. Highest i ran test was 750 which is not very high to most. Ive ran deca at a gram with no bloat but hunger was not there for growth(probably low e2). I think i had my biggest appetite the few times i ran test higher. This is just my opinion but i don't think high test is needed to get massive but i do think estrogen has a big role in getting huge which comes from using test so....

but I'm small. (175)lbs wet

People think im 200 tho

 

[climber]

Absolutely...I want the anabolic not the androgenic---I want to get strong, not horny as hell, losing hair on my head and growing shit loads of body hair

 

[Cinder]

I personally would use insulin and some kind of hgh/peptide/secretagogue for the "mass" rather than higher testosterone again.
I actually like the 10-35mg TestE/C per day routine.
I might just stay at that FOREVER, but on cycle adding in 1testcyp, or higher dose npp (700-800mg per week) or even high primo idk.
But then again lol, I'd probably do 10mg a day of sdrol for 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off, 4 weeks on with some heavy "health" supps.
I'm gonna be 37 in August. I don't need to be big big bodybuilder huge. At this point I'd like to look like a l bigger legged, and 220lbs (lol) Manuel
Santalucia. That seems easier to maintain imo.

 

[m87r]

If the goal is to look good(not grow a lot). Then lower Test/higher Anabolics works great yes.

 

[Livininshrouds]

Bumping this thread if you don’t mind just would like to see updated opinions. Are these kind of cycles good for maintaining muscle or even gaining ? Didn’t really want to make a repeat thread

 

[danieltx]

Bumping this thread if you don’t mind just would like to see updated opinions. Are these kind of cycles good for maintaining muscle or even gaining ? Didn’t really want to make a repeat thread

Low test with high anabolics for guys scared of testosterone or scared of getting big.

If you're serious about gaining as much muscle as possible then you do high test with anabolics, period.

 

[Bigboomer5150]

Low test with high anabolics for guys scared of testosterone or scared of getting big.

If you're serious about gaining as much muscle as possible then you do high test with anabolics, period.

Def agree I’ve never done great running low test period.. and what’s considered low test lol I’ve done well with as little as 500mg of test but never anything beneath and maybe that’s low to some I feel best at a gram of test

 

[VaginaBoob89]

Having done both:

Low test is great for looking pretty and dry. It's cool for the last 8 weeks before a contest, and you can consider dropping it entirely at 4 weeks out

High test is what we need for growing. I think the sweet spot is right around 1000-1750 for most people and going beyond this doesn't have that great of results to side effects ratio; but is technically still effective to go higher.

 

[Poonami]

Test just makes me thick, blocky, hairy and bored. Gimme dem exotic gears and let me experiment between the new and old.

 

[aHarness]

Test just makes me thick, blocky, hairy and bored. Gimme dem exotic gears and let me experiment between the new and old.

Test makes you… blocky?

 

[adpolice]

High test becauses of its metabolites(estrogen/dht)works synergitically with other compounds like gh(higher estrogen better igf1 conversation etch).What i have seen and most i know agree on that is that blasting testosterone is better when bf is really low

 

[Livininshrouds]

Low test with high anabolics for guys scared of testosterone or scared of getting big.

If you're serious about gaining as much muscle as possible then you do high test with anabolics, period.

Thanks what about when it comes to cutting and getting as lean as possible?

 

[Livininshrouds]

Having done both:

Low test is great for looking pretty and dry. It's cool for the last 8 weeks before a contest, and you can consider dropping it entirely at 4 weeks out

High test is what we need for growing. I think the sweet spot is right around 1000-1750 for most people and going beyond this doesn't have that great of results to side effects ratio; but is technically still effective to go higher.

I myself like the look of low test with high DHT but I’m guessing it’s not conducive for maintaining that muscle or growing? I looked through @madg and he seems to be a good example of successful results with low test. That’s of course if you don’t plan to become heavyweight bodybuilder physique

 

[adpolice]

Thanks what about when it comes to cutting and getting as lean as possible?

It really depends on your level(are u a physique competitor or super heavy,cycle history,sensitivity to aromatise enzyme)Still you know its getting old but drugs are there to preserve muscle during diet,so diet/energy expentidure will be the key factor.You can really cut on everything and believe it or not some estrogen are needed for fat loss.If you are after that grainy look though you can blast a dht derivate like winstrol and an a.i for a short period of time assuming you are already really lean

 

[VaginaBoob89]

High test becauses of its metabolites(estrogen/dht)works synergitically with other compounds like gh(higher estrogen better igf1 conversation etch).What i have seen and most i know agree on that is that blasting testosterone is better when bf is really low

What I'm wondering is if lower test (250-750) might work well with trestolone because trest aromatizes into a form of methyl estrodial.

I'm definitely not afraid of test and I've run it over 2g in the past, but I definitely dislike the pip from testosterone. I've been home brewing most of my steroid taking years and I can make everything except DHB and test pain free. Test basically always ends up with some bite to it and for that reason I'd prefer pin less of it if I can replace it with another aromatizing compound

Maybe @Doitagain can weigh in on this, I think I remember him posing about test to trest ratios.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

What I'm wondering is if lower test (250-750) might work well with trestolone because trest aromatizes into a form of methyl estrodial.

I'm definitely not afraid of test and I've run it over 2g in the past, but I definitely dislike the pip from testosterone. I've been home brewing most of my steroid taking years and I can make everything except DHB and test pain free. Test basically always ends up with some bite to it and for that reason I'd prefer pin less of it if I can replace it with another aromatizing compound

Maybe @Doitagain can weigh in on this, I think I remember him posing about test to trest ratios.

My last run w trest was 600 sust/wk and 75 trest ace/ day. Can’t remember what else without going through the notes
Used aromasin and ralox. No issues

I also make 90% of what I use. But all mine is pain free

 

[adpolice]

My last run w trest was 600 sust/wk and 75 trest ace/ day. Can’t remember what else without going through the notes
Used aromasin and ralox. No issues

I also make 90% of what I use. But all mine is pain free

My last run w trest was 600 sust/wk and 75 trest ace/ day. Can’t remember what else without going through the notes
Used aromasin and ralox. No issues

I also make 90% of what I use. But all mine is pain free

Never had any issues with trestolone also using aromasin along with it.In fact only positives,better mood,crazy libido etch

 

[VaginaBoob89]

My last run w trest was 600 sust/wk and 75 trest ace/ day. Can’t remember what else without going through the notes
Used aromasin and ralox. No issues

I also make 90% of what I use. But all mine is pain free

That cycle and then just 1cc of tren e on top and maybe 500mg eq/wk sounds like a great growth cycle. Big milos style humalog shots pre and post with 120-150g carb drink intra workout on top of it.. man sounds great. And not that many oil shots per week either...

 

[Livininshrouds]

That cycle and then just 1cc of tren e on top and maybe 500mg eq/wk sounds like a great growth cycle. Big milos style humalog shots pre and post with 120-150g carb drink intra workout on top of it.. man sounds great. And not that many oil shots per week either...

Sent a messg

 

[pickapeck]

I was just listening to Stan Efferding. When he was working with Mark Bell the cycle was 750 mg each test, Deca, and EQ. I think he was well over 300 lbs and Stan is always lean. Triple somewhere over 2300 lbs raw total plus BBing pro on stage over 240s working with Flex Wheeler.