I dare you, any of you to go train a natural guy who has been training for 4-5 years and is stuck at a plateau who dramatically wants to get bigger and take him thru the paces. Make sure you tell him, "we only need 50 grams of protein a day" and to boot "you dont need to train hard".....watch how quickly he fires you as his trainer in 6 months for getting him nowhere. Bodybuilding the only sport in the world where people over analyze to the 1000th degree and disregard what has been accomplished for the last 50 years time and time again.....a proven track record. If you can create a demand (hard heavy training) you can create a need for supply (protein). That bikini girl over there is obviously not going to need as much protein as a 285lb behemoth who is repping out 500lb squats and deadlifts....but I can absolutely guarantee you that 285lb behemoth sure as hell didnt get that way from eating 100 grams of protein a day ....he ate 1.5 grams of protein per lb to get there....alot of guys on this board love to post their opinions on "what they are personally doing"...and i see a bunch of guys with "self inflicted health problems" who have to stay in this tight little box because they did inflict those health problems on to themselves...who try to convince everyone around them that "you should do it too".....
I swear the steroid culture in this sport has convinced people they know what they are talking about. EVERYBODY GAINS 25LBS ON STEROIDS...EVERYBODY!!! It doesnt mean jack crap. Want to know when someone really knows their stuff? When they take natural bodybuilders and enhanced bodybuilders who have been lifting hard for 6-8 years who are tapped out and they get them up to a whole new level in size. Then you know your stuff!
If you never ate a carbohydrate again you would be just fine. Try to do that without protein or fats. Good chance you would end up very unhealthy, sick or even dying. Bodybuilding was and has always been about excess....what are carbohydrates....they are simply fuel/glycogen......its a visual look/energy thats predominately all it is! Here... tomorrow lower your protein grams down to zero.....eat 6 carb meals with fluid and then cut your water intake at 3pm....youll wake up the next morning looking like a million bucks....round as hell....and muscular. Do you think you gained any muscle mass? No you didnt! Not one bit. Its just a visual look. So you can go ahead and lower your protein grams and fill those protein grams with carbohydrates....you will have your wish... will always be round, with full muscle cells......is it contributing to gains in muscle mass? No it is not! You are just not flat and your living the dream of any and all muscle that you built years prior.
I dont know why so many people in bodybuilding cannot step outside of their own personal drug using box and think "hmmm what would natural me do?".....Because natural "you" would get absolutely nowhere with some of the stuff you guys on this board recommend people....(advice you give while you a pounding down mg's of drugs to convince you what you are saying is correct). Id love to see some of you guys on here train some natural guys and the lengths you got to go thru training wise and eating wise to get them larger while not getting fat...its a real eye opening experience when you dont have "the good old PED club" in your back pocket. Alot of you would look at things much much differently.
Some of this advice on this thread is pure looney tunes. Bad digestion, health problems...YOUR FAULT! I sure as hell dont carb up on baked beans and blame it on those "darn carbohydrates".....so you guys go right ahead......50 years of proof from the most massive bodybuilders who have walked the earth vs random guys on professional muscle .....if it didnt work.....they would not have done it and still wouldnt be doing it. Every highly touted drug (pgf2, MGF etc etc) and every highly touted supplement (Ohb, ribose etc) which ended up not working was thrown to the wayside.....because THEY DIDNT WORK for the masses, things that have stood the test of time (steroids, progressive lifting, creatine, higher protien intake) the reason why they stand the test of time is because power in numbers have proven it works! Do you know what has proven not to work to create massive bodybuilders? Being Vegan.
Again this sport is so "johnny come lately"......the same exact people saying "you dont need to eat protein to get big".....ate protein to get big when they were actually getting big! Of the 3 macros the one that is the red headed step child..is carbs. Very little importance for actual muscle mass accumulation. Want to have energy? Want to trick yourself and look round? Carbohydrates. A short term visual fix (or long term if you are happy with the muscle mass you have and want to look round all the time)
Some of you guys need to step outside your own personal bubble and train massive pro bodybuilders....I freaking dare you to tell them "dude you only need 100 grams of protein a day....thats how we are going to get you to the next level"......you will fail and you will get fired.
Just because you personally like to do something doesnt mean its the best method for the masses. 50 years of power in numbers and virtually an across the board opinion by the most massive amateurs and pro's out there who are taking 350-400 plus grams of protein a day when they are trying to get larger sure as hell supersede a bunch of guys on pro muscle's opinion.