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What I think is a little naive is thinking someone turns pro, competes and even wins pro shows while remaining natural and wholly ignorant of PEDs as Ronnie is said to have been, until "Flex Wheeler filled him in at a pro show". It's not like Ronnie trained in his bedroom, he was at a gym where drugs flowed, just like in any corner of the USA where "serious" guys trained.
My *guess* is this. Ronnie got real far with minimal "natural cycles" (lol) and then got some coaching, added in a small dose of GH and got further still. Then it was decided to see how far he could really go which culminated in him almost dying but winning the O. Then things got progressively crazier and by 2003 the GH and insulin was really up there and he presented a physique that was insane and almost unbeaten to this day (some like Roelly are in that category/level though not quite as genetically gifted).
Regarding Lockett, yes he has some mutant genetics but he also bullshitted a lot (claimed to eat no protein for example). He was still claiming natural when his GF reported him for domestic abuse and steroid use.
Lee Priest said one year he placed 2nd in the Ironman and only used Winstrol and T3. Hey, it's possible, if one has the muscle, if he gets lean it's plausible it doesn't take much in a certain window of time, to do well. Anyway, Flex was reportedly incredulous and said, "my god, you don't want to know how much I had to use" or something to that effect. Lee was asked by Palumbo if he thought he might have been better if he had done more at his prime. He wasn't so sure because he was once put on 800mg by Trevor Smith and got sick and weaker. But just imagine, assuming what he says is true, if he had done some serious tren, insulin and GH! Lee claimed to only have done two short, low dose GH cycles which did nothing and never any insulin.
Then again, Big A said Lee was on GH as a kid and Lee also failed a drug test for Deca at 17, 2 years before his claimed first cycle at 19. So you gotta wonder if the whole truth is always told despite there not being a good reason for changing some seemingly unimportant details.
It does make for a better story to say you turned pro natural or whatever, and guys may feel what they did was so minimal it doesn't
really matter. Say a guy did one vial of test - is it even worth to mention? However, this one vial could mean 10lbs of stage weight, which does matter.
Ronnie turned pro while natural.
he built all that muscle, and dieted down to super low body fat without any drugs. sure, all of the competition was on gear, and the gear would have made the entire process so much easier...but he just didnt feel like it.
and besides...if he didn't turn pro that year naturally.... there was always the next year
bodybuilders have all the time in the world to be a success.. so slow and steady wins the race.
sure, it's a muscle contest that they dedicate a great deal of their lives to... and more drugs generally equal more muscle... but most of them used really low doses, and took very long periods off gear..just because..
No one is questioning Dante's integrity.
There's just absolutely no way to know for certain what someone is using.. Idk why people don't understand this.
You sold him gear? He may be buying from others as well.
You did his shots? He may be doing his own shots as well.
Etc.
This is supposedly Lee Priest @ age 14. If he is actually 13 here, I would argue that even even he were on GH for short stature, that is still an incredible physique.
The question is (assuming the caption where I got the pic is correct, and he is actually 14 here), was he taking AAS at 14? If not, then I would argue his body is tremendously responsive to weights.
It's possible he had been on AAS for a considerable period of time leading up to this photo, but that means he was on AAS starting around age 13 or earlier. Which is possible, but not super likely, in my opinion.
i heard levrone actually never did aas
He is speaking very candidly here. He has literally no reason to lie.
I dont understand why this is so hard for people. There are elite genetic people on this planet that take up bodybuilding. They dont start juicing in their very first workout. Alot of them grow so fast and succeed so fast at bodybuilding that they think its going to continue....and then they find out later on it doesnt continue in that upward graph and they at that point decide to go on. Another person Ive talked about in the past was Kai Greene who was natural for a number of years in the beginning..and that was scoffed at too....it is what it is. Why is it so strange that two of the three most massive bodybuilders on the pro circuit in the last 20 years were also incredible natural bodybuilders. They both got insanely massive once they started juicing.
:30 to 3:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohs2CILQvpw
I don't think anyone is saying that it's verifiably false... Just that's it's hard to believe, and doesn't make sense.
Why compete in a sport where performance-enhancing drugs are permitted... Everyone else is on performance-enhancing drugs... But you choose not to be?
But they did choose....they chose to use drugs....both of them have been on the sauce way way longer in the pro's than when they were natural
This is supposedly Lee Priest @ age 14. If he is actually 13 here, I would argue that even even he were on GH for short stature, that is still an incredible physique.
The question is (assuming the caption where I got the pic is correct, and he is actually 14 here), was he taking AAS at 14? If not, then I would argue his body is tremendously responsive to weights.
It's possible he had been on AAS for a considerable period of time leading up to this photo, but that means he was on AAS starting around age 13 or earlier. Which is possible, but not super likely, in my opinion.